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CSL IV is nearly here . .
We're finalising the details and have had confirmation from existing CSLIII players and those who approached me to go on the provisional list.

Rileys Purley Way - Thursday Nights - 8pm Start
Start Date: Thursday 23rd April 09 (St.George?s Day)
?40 Entry + ?2 Per Player, Per Fixture
Three Divisions of Ten Players, as listed below.]
This season, due to the increase in players, there will also be a KO Cup as well as the usual Plate. Full details will be issued nearer the time, along with a full fixture list

Please confirm your place by posting in this thread. This holds your place until the cut-off date.
Please pay your ?40 entry fee to either Hannah (Rileys PW) or Mark Stallard (Goodfellas) to confirm your space (if you want to pay the extra ?18 for the fixtures, you can, which saves me hassling you every week for ?2). Once you?ve paid, let me know so I can keep this list as up-to-date as possible.
Can all players also PM me their mobile numbers, as this makes notifications a lot easier. Thanks.

IF YOU?RE ON THE LIST, WE NEED YOUR ENTRY MONEY (?40) BY THURSDAY 16 APRIL. AFTER THAT DATE, ANY UNPAID PLAYERS? SPACES WILL BE OPEN TO THOSE ON THE PROVISIONAL LIST.
N.B. THERE'LL BE NO I.O.U.'s SO GET YOUR MONEY IN BEFORE THE DATE TO AVOID MISSING OUT.

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PREMIER
1. Hugh Telford ? CONFIRMED
2. Phil Wates ? CONFIRMED
3. Francois Tertullien ? CONFIRMED
4. Lee Manister - CONFIRMED
5. Paul Da Silveira ? PAID 58
6. Mick Huggins ? CONFIRMED
7. Steve Aldridge (P) ? CONFIRMED
8. Charles Burrows (P) ? CONFIRMED
9. Lloyd Barnes (P) ? CONFIRMED
10. Darren Porter (SU) ? CONFIRMED

DIVISION ONE
1. Martin Duncan (R) ? CONFIRMED
2. Richard Morley (R)? ? CONFIRMED
3. Mark Stallard (R) - PAID 40
4. Luke Willsher ? PAID 58
5. Scott Bradwell - CONFIRMED
6. Dan Reeks ? CONFIRMED
7. Mick Saunders (SU) ? PAID 40
8. Andy Telford (SU) ? CONFIRMED
9. Mark Vincent (SU) - PAID 40
10. Martyn Drinkwater (SU) ? PAID 40

DIVISION TWO
1. Paul Saxton (R) ? CONFIRMED
2. Marc Rowson (R) ? PAID 58
3. Shane St.Romaine (R) ? CONFIRMED
4. Tom Telford ? CONFIRMED
5. Scott Slattery ? CONFIRMED
6. Jon Prothero ? CONFIRMED
7. Peter Knight ? CONFIRMED
8. Sarah Long - CONFIRMED
9. John Hoy - Divisional status to be decided
10 Chris Knock - Divisional status to be decided

Please note: If anyone drops out from the list above or fails to pay in time, spaces will be made available to those on the provisional list. The tables are flexible so, if this happens, others will be 'shuffled up' and new players added into Division 2. This is, however, also subject to change.

RESERVE LIST
Mark Miller
Michael Hakaw

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If I can start my matches at 8.15-8.30 then please put me on the provisional list. I'd rather be upfront and say that I can't regularly start at 8 rather than turn up late every week.

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I shouldn't think that'd be a problem for most people, although obviously would be an exception.
You're on the provisional list, so you may be in with a chance if people don't pay up in time.

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can i be added to the list please

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add me as well please:winking:

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Mark, sorry but i will have to drop out. Daughters times have been changed for her kick boxing so cannot make thursdays now :(

Gutted!!!!

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any ideas how long the reserve list is ?

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Mark, mark vincent and I will both be paying tomorrow night at rileys (hannah i guess, unless your there?)

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There are currently 4 people on the reserve list, as above.

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can i be added to the reserve list as well, thanks

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Lists updated.

One more dropped out, so Sass is also now in.

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Cool. I will pay at the weekend.

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Ok people, I'm off on holiday from tomorrow and I'll be back in the country on Sunday 19th. Anyone wanting to pay their entry fee before the deadline can do so to Hannah and the crew at Riley's PW, as I obviously won't be about to take your cash.
I'll still be online from time to time while I'm away, so I can check up on payment progress, as well as pick up PM's and emails. Any problems, please drop me a message before I get back, as the whole thing kicks off only 4 days after my return, so I'm hoping there won't be too many loose ends to sort out by the time I get home. Bear in mind, though, that PM's and emails will be easier and cheaper as phoning me while I'm abroad will costs us both a fortune.
See you all on my return.
B)

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Mark Vincent paid behind the bar on Tuesday. I will be paying probably monday.

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Ahojte damy a pani !

Any payment updates?

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I paid yesterday... Full amount of ?58

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I?m assuming (or rather hoping) that some more people paid their entry money into Riley?s last night. Anyone care to give me any payment update?

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Marc also paid last night

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mark stallard = ?40
mick saunders = ?40
Luke Wilsher = ?58
Mark Vincent = ?40
Paul Da Silveira = ?58
Marc Rowson = ?58

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UPDATED LIST

PREMIER
1. Hugh Telford ? PAID
2. Phil Wates ? Payment arranged
3. Francois Tertullien ? CONFIRMED
4. Lee Manister - PAID 40
5. Paul Da Silveira ? PAID 58
6. Mick Huggins ? Payment arranged
7. Steve Aldridge (P) ? Payment arranged
8. Charles Burrows (P) ? Payment arranged
9. Lloyd Barnes (P) ? Payment arranged
10. Chris Knock (SU) - Payment arranged

DIVISION ONE
1. Martin Duncan (R) ? Payment arranged
2. Richard Morley (R) ? Payment arranged
3. Mark Stallard (R) - PAID 40
4. Darren Porter (SU) ? Payment arranged
5. Luke Willsher ? PAID 58
6. Scott Bradwell - CONFIRMED
7. Dan Reeks ? PAID 40
8. Mick Saunders (SU) ? PAID 40
9. Andy Telford (SU) ? Payment arranged
10. Martyn Drinkwater (SU) ? PAID 40

DIVISION TWO
1. Paul Saxton (R) ? PAID 40
2. Marc Rowson (R) ? PAID 58
3. Shane St.Romaine (R) ? CONFIRMED
4. Tom Telford ? PAID
5. Scott Slattery ? CONFIRMED
6. Jon Prothero ? Payment arranged
7. Mark Vincent - PAID 40
8. Peter Knight ? CONFIRMED
9. Sarah Long - Payment arranged
10. John Hoy - PAID 58

Reserves
Mark Miller
Michael Hakaw
Dave Truan

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I will 99% be paying tonight, so long as i make it to rileys. I will confirm on here when i have.

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I will be paying on Thursday :saxton:

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I will pay tomorrow if I'm well enough to go out. If not then I'll post here and you can scratch me from the comp.

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Lee Manister = ?40
Dan Reeks = ?40

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I'll pay on Sunday.

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Here's a question for you Mark:

Yesterday I noticed that Darren Porter had been shuffled up to the premier league (having finished 4th in Div 1), and Knocky was on the reserve list.

I then look at the lists tonight and find that Knocky has been put straight into the premier and Darren has been put back down. Why has this happened?

I know that Knocky's ability warrants that kind of spot, and I'm sure that Darren would possibly prefer playing in Div 1 as he will have more chance of being in the money spots, but I'm just interested to know how these decisions are made?

P.S. If we do meet Knocky, I will give you one hell of a match!! :D:

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Knocky played in the first two and only missed the last one due to work. I think it's fair enough to shuffle him up to Div 1.

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I paid full ?58 to Hannah this evening

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Maybe I was just thinking of the league format where if you miss a season, you have to start from the bottom again. I'm not disputing Knocky's class or commitment, and he will certainly add more quality to the premier. It's just going to take a bit more effort from me now to win all that money!! :D::D:

Thanks Mark for texting me and explaining the situation so quickly. :clap:

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I paid

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On the same note John Hoye in the 3rd Div ?????

Explanation by text doesn't explain to the rest of us...

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I thought this question would be raised..

Darren was not promoted to the Premier, having finished 4th last season. He was ?shuffled up? as Rob McDonnell pulled out, leaving a space to be filled. As with CDPL, shuffled up positions are not guaranteed until the season starts.

Knocky was in CSL1 and 2 and was in the Premier both seasons. As I have mentioned, I am currently on holiday but have been in email contact and discussion with the organsisers of previous CSLs (Andy Esgrove and Sean Kelly) regarding who should start where etc.

Knocky should be in the Premier, without a doubt and therefore Darren was shuffled back down to his original finshing position. It was an early decision to keep all promotions and relegations in place and to also honour survival. We would not, for example, have demoted Mick Huggins (the next lowest finisher in the Prem) to make way for Knocky if there had not been a space already created by Rob pulling out (and temporarily filled by shuffling up, to maintain numbers).

John Hoy is a different situation. He has ability, granted, but hasn?t actually played competitive 8 ball for a couple of years, on our understanding, so we have no way to gauge his potential in this competition. As for suggestions he will destroy Div.2, this remains to be seen. Don?t underestimate the likes of John Prothero and Tom Telford etc to give him plenty of trouble along the way.

If we had put John in Div.1, we?d have to ?shuffle down? one from Mick Saunders, Andy Telford or Martyn Drinkwater (honouring survival, as mentioned). If we did that, people would then say that the chosen demotee would also ?destroy? the lower division. We know the ability of these players, wherea John has been off the 8 ball scene for long enough to be deemed an unknown (sorry, John, I know you not an unknown but you know what I mean).

I hope everyone can see we?ve tried to be as fair as possible.

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sorry Mark, I'm creating all this hassle and the season hasn't even started yet!!:chair:

By the way, I will definitely find my way to Suzys on Friday to pay my money :band:

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No worries, Teach, if it wasn?t you, it?d be someone else..
:D:

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when will the website be edited with the change in fixtures etc?

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Well since most of us haven't paid a penny yet I'm guessing the website will have to wait till we get our acts together.

;)

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Can you chuck me on the reserve list please fella

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What about Mark Miller being on the reserve list, if memory serves me he said he wanted to be involved in the next singles league within a couple of weeks of the last one starting and he's played in two of the previous leagues.

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John Hoy has paid ?58.00

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Well can't Mark go to Rileys and pay his money after today and whoever hasn't paid will be replaced. After all thats what the original post says.

There are exceptions, if you've told Mark you will pay on a certain date (ie. teach, miq), but if someone hasn't bothered paying on time, or contacted Mark, and MM pays before, then will they be replaced?

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the telfords have paid

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The vast majority of people have contacted me, one way or another, to let me know when they are paying the money in. The problem is with the few who haven?t as I know some of them do not use the website so may not know about the deadline, mainly due to me not being around to hassle them at Riley?s. I did send a PM to everyone on the list who uses the site and included a message to some to pass on to team mates. The original idea of booting everyone out after the deadline would have worked better (and easier) if I was around to enforce it and chase people up who don?t use the website.
For this reason, although the rule is there, I?m loathed to enforce it to the letter as I have not spoken with some of the people involved. It would be like me sending out a last minute change of playing day by text and kicking out those who didn?t turn up because I didn?t have their mobile number.

So far, I have not had confirmation of payment date from:

Premier
Francois Tertullien

Division One
Scott Bradwell

Division Two
Shane St.Romaine
Scott Slattery
Peter Knight

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I have paid ?40

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Peter Knight (Div 2) will definitely be paying his money tonight. I will definitely pay mine at lunchtime today.

I think Scott Bradwell has decided to pull out of the league, creating a spot in Div 1 for Mark Miller (I assume he will take it!). That should cheer Darren Porter up! :D:

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Im suprised fran or shane haven't paid, was in rileys wednesday night when i paid with them and shane knew thursday was the deadline... although he had drunk a few Strongbow at that point. :drunk:

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All change again!

Scott WILL take his spot in Div 1 and I will be paying his money alongside mine today!! Darren Porter will just have to get bashed up by Scott instead!!

P.S. - Darren can't get on the web at the moment, so any cheap jokes at his expense will be greatly appreciated!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Ok, latest news.

Andy Telford has had to withdraw, which has created the aforementioned space for Mark Miller, so he?s in.

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UPDATED LIST

PREMIER
1. Hugh Telford ? PAID
2. Phil Wates ? Payment arranged
3. Francois Tertullien ? Payment arranged
4. Lee Manister - PAID 40
5. Paul Da Silveira ? PAID 58
6. Mick Huggins ? Payment arranged
7. Steve Aldridge (P) ? PAID 40
8. Charles Burrows (P) ? Payment arranged
9. Lloyd Barnes (P) ? Payment arranged
10. Chris Knock (SU) - Payment arranged

DIVISION ONE
1. Martin Duncan (R) ? Payment arranged
2. Richard Morley (R) ? Payment arranged
3. Mark Stallard (R) - PAID 40
4. Darren Porter ? PAID 40
5. Luke Willsher ? PAID 58
6. Scott Bradwell - PAID 40
7. Dan Reeks ? PAID 40
8. Mick Saunders (SU) ? PAID 40
9. Mark Miller ? AWAITS CONFIRMATION
10. Martyn Drinkwater (SU) ? PAID 40

DIVISION TWO
1. Paul Saxton (R) ? PAID 40
2. Marc Rowson (R) ? PAID 58
3. Shane St.Romaine (R) ? Payment arranged
4. Tom Telford ? PAID
5. Scott Slattery ? Payment arranged
6. Jon Prothero ? PAID 40
7. Mark Vincent - PAID 40
8. Peter Knight ? Payment arranged
9. Sarah MacMullen - Payment arranged
10. John Hoy - PAID 58

Reserves
Michael Hakaw
Dave Truan

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looks like an even field.

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im sure mark miller will not be happy in div1.:winking:

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As I mentioned before, there are no flexible spaces left in the Premier but, even if there were, Mark was actually relegated from the Premier in CSL2, so it?s fair to put him in Div.1.
Mind you, I might eat my words after I?ve played him :D:

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A CDPL Singles finalist? I don't think he will be that happy unless he just wants the money, but knowing Mark he would rather play at his standard.

Maybe in future leagues it could be seeded by your position in the singles league. That way you are (almost) guaranteed to play at your level.

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There weren?t any more flexible spaces in the Premier anyway.

Maybe you?d be happy to play to keep your Premier spot, only to then be told "Sorry, mate, but someone else has entered and they?re better than you so you?re relegated anyway", but I know Mick Huggins wouldn?t be!

It?s impossible to please everyone, there?s always someone who should possibly be in a different division. If the players were the same every season, the standard promotion/relegation system would work perfectly but it doesn?t work like that when each season has different players involved.
If Mark plays as well as we know he can, he?ll be in the Premier again next season but this time round he?s division one.

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Martin, I see your point, but you must be confident enough of beating anyone? Look at John Hoy, he will p!ss the bottom div guaranteed , no disrespect to the others. As Mark says there is no way of pleasing everyone...just win your games and happy days.:D:

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I agree, it's a tough one. I have entered this comp to get my self some quality practice. There's no doubt that Mark is quality, so I'm looking forward to playing him, I just hope I don't embarrass my self too much.:(

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Thanks mate. I presume you mean me?
(of course, there's an outside chance you are referring to Mr.Miller)
;)

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Sorry Mark, im going to have to pull out of this, this season :(

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Does that mean Mark Vincetn will go back up into Div 1? or will John Hoy go up?

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I think by the sounds of it there will be chops and changes until the day before it starts. I seem to remember that was the case last time. I'm sure it depends on who gets there money in on time and so on. Anyway it all adds to the suspense regarding fixtures etc. :winking:

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Thanks for giving plenty of notice, Harry..
:whip:

Who's going to moan about the lack of beer-table near table 8 this season if you're not going to be there?

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Mark will be shuffled up again on the basis of his singles record. John is, as I've already said on here, deemed an unknown as he hasn't played competitive 8 ball for ages.

I've heard from several people saying John will p1ss the division but surely, if people go in with that attitude, they can only expect to get beaten. Everyone is beatable, you just have to believe you can do it, or you've lost before your cue is out the box.

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I think thats why he pulled out, there is a beer table next to table 8 now! :snigger:

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I had the pleasure of playing a frame with John last Tuesday - he wanted to see if he still had it...

Fella's - you do not have anything to worry about...;)

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There is a good chance that someone with a name that starts with 'M' will win the 1st division!

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Thats exactly why, I wouldn't have had anything to moan about :lol:

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Miggins and myself have paid up by the way.
I've got a receipt and everything...
:angel:

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will update on people paid when i get 5 mins to do so

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No worries. I'll be in RPW tonight anyway, so we can sort it out then, if you're there.

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Just noticed the CSL website has been finalised with the new fixtures. Been looking forward to this since the final frame of the last one so should be good.
Cheers Mark for getting it all sorted again. I'll try to give you the ?18 tommorow night save you asking every week!
All the best to everyone involved!

Mark, i've sent Martyn a PM to let him know Mark Vincent won't be able to make the first game tommoro. I've given him Marks number to re-schedule it, but if you could let him know if you have his number, incase he doesn't come online (or anyone else who reads this and has his number). Cheers!

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I have his number and will call him.

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As you are all aware, CSL IV starts tomorrow.

The matches should start at 8pm but, as it's the first week and there's admin to sort out, it's best if everyone gets there a bit early to get this sorted first, then everyone can crack on with their matches without me keep interrupting to give copies of fixtures and schedules, demand money with menaces etc.
:handshake:

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i prob wont be there till 8 on the dot

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There's always one trouble-maker
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