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Me n hughie av decided to share this as jt winas which is rather unfair to the other guys as there wer 5 jt winas for this ,peter knight,steve potter n swetty all achieved wat we did but sadly dont geta trophie...avin play with hughie all season I believe he as deserved to b the jt wina playing solid pool all year n as for myself iv ada nightmare season with consistency n feel lucky to av won sumthin...determination saving the day for this old as been....:angel: CUM ON :D:

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I thought u said in 1 ov ya other posts that u was the props best player this season? So ow u Ada nightmare season?

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Dan I woz avin a bit ova joke wit ricky but yeah iv ada mare iv lost many many frames in unreal fluke fashion wen avin 2shots playing disturbances only to foul...iv thrown away everything but I av not been able to practice for 3years n am pretty fckd up so ina weird way this may ov been my best ever season av played at 20/30% n stil done wel so yea iv ada nightmare but am also very proud that iv stil contended n played the odd big frame under pressure n stepped up...this game is easy wen things r smooth but wen u av2 fight to turn a game around or beat guys who should beat u then it sumhow can stil b s buzz...u no wat I mean uv won frames n things against the odds n it isa buzz yea :angel:

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Na yea I no wot ya mean.... To be fair tho jacko you have been pretty solid wen u played us u was kinda playing some good stuff so wud not say its all been a mare :angel: hopefully you get bk to ya old self!

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So you decided to share the div1singles,how nice.I on the other hand decided to be around my family after my uncle passed away and that maybe i would get a chance knowing the sportsmanship in our sport to play my semi final with hughie at a later date,how wrong! To end the season top of the pile albeit jointly filled me with pride and yet slightly dissapoited not to win it outright.so to be asked to have a playoff was a great way to get an outright winner despite the hours car drive for potentially one frame.But due to unforseen circumstances ive had to cancel the arrange fixture but never fought that would mean a forfit!

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That's outrageous sort it out lads allow Peter to play hughie another time u can't claim that as a win the man has got a lot on and has come on here and said that publicly which he hasn't got to do by the way! Be sportsman and do the rite thing am sure hughie won't have a prob with it as he is a top bloke and very straight up from what I no.

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We r sori for ur loss peter but as far as i no none ov us new u would not b coming until wen we turned up so I believe its a tad unfair to call people unsporting wen no attempt woz made to rearrange or to giv notice to any1...as far as we new u ad forfeited so dont think its very nice to ava dig at us..im sure if u ad given us notice n ad asked we would ov all been happy to rearrange but I for 1 only found out u wer not coming wen I arrived on the nite...simple phone call peter a day or 2 before hand is all it would ov taken...down to u to do that n not expect us to b mind readers n avin a dig at us is poor form me thinks,4 guys turned up to play n u think ewe should ov just gone home wen no request woz made? Ur obviously upset about ur loss but it dont giv u the right to question our sportsmanship :angel:

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Dan r u saying we ought to forget about all the games played last nite n start again? We wer not asked to rearrange n all I got told woz peter ad gone to a funeral n werent coming...honestly m8 think a bit we aint done nothing wrong n we aint the type to try n claim games unlike sum :angel:

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Hope that aint a dig at me mate coz I have never tried clamping nothing..... Give Peter a chance yea! Nice guy and never does n e 1 wrong massive miss understanding job here lets face it if ya lose some 1 close u just don't think about things ie calling up u lot etc legit reason from Peter so give the man a chance long hard season he played and done extremely well to get were he did like the rest of ya 4 blokes 1 frame a piece is it really long to do it again..... If it was me I wud! Just my opinion jacko u lot do wot u got to do Peter is a nice bloke tho......

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Wasnt there, but if the league decide that if a play off is needed rather than a share, then a play off should happen. Even taking the unfortunate and sad Peter situation out of the way I dont see that people should share a trophy between 2 people than 5 have actually won.

Share it between 5 or play it to the end. Just my opinion mind

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After reading over these threads it would appear that my own thread had a tad of anger attached to it.By no means did i intend to claim you and hughie were behaving unsportsmanlike, only that in texting my secretary two days before hand to let him know the situation i did feel i would get a chance to contest the playoff.Ofcourse if not knowing this you would rightly carry on contesting it amongst yourselfs.Its just that now it leaves a bitter taste to the end of what was a good season through no fault of my own :wall:

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So what's the sp....... Does Peter get a shot at it or not :?:

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Telford & Jackson sharing a divisional winners title.....why ?
Give peter a chance to play for the right to win it outright
am pretty sure you are all in rileys or wherever enough to play......regardless of the we have already done 1 set of games - really poor form if you don't give him a crack at it

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poor fckin form? do u not understand the previous comments? it as already been re drawn n played(I originally ad drawn swetty)...Hughie beat swetty n I beat steve potter so the final woz me n Hughie so as team m8s n not really wanting to b there we shared it...I personally believe there should not even b a play off as we wer all top n all joint winners...so u guys think we should all go to frames n play the whole thing again or do we exclude swetty n steve as theyv already lost? seriously y r people talkin such blox...its over its done n dusted maybe if sum1 ad contacted us n asked us to rearrange then things may ov been different,how can u guys b goin on about this after its finished? madness pure pure pure idiotic madness :angel:

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n peter if u ada funeral to go to n u stil wanted to play y did u not either ask Hughie to play before Tuesday or ask to rearrange? y cum on here digging people out for no reason wen u av not even asked any1 anything...I must b as dumb as sum other people on here as me no understand :wall:

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n shaggy there av been many joint winas in the past but the league wil only supply 2 trophies unless people giv up other trophies to balance the books,so u can av 5jt winas but only 2 trophies,bit bizarre :angel:

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Im sure eagles boys would be happy to part company with semi final trophies for ko cup.
I am happy to give up my semi for singles trophy if that makes any difference as i think a 1 frame playoff is complete bollox!
As far as im concerned i think all 5 won it and having it come down to a game down frames is terrible!

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Ill give all my prop trophies for the winter.cup runners up and league runners up

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Peter should get some sort of shot at the thing he said in previous thread that he told his captain so it ain't his fault really give him a shot or include him in the trophies :elol:

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I sort of agree with Jacko in that its done so its done, but I dont agree in play offs at all when over a course of a season 1,2 or even 5 people have performed equally.

If there is a play off at least make it a round robin.

Anyhow well done to all 5 players, I sincerely hope they are all mentioned at the presentation as they al deserve it.

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After having read through these threads and fully understanding both sides of the argument, I believe that what Phil Wates has offered (via his e-mail and my response below), and what Sean Kelly and Billy Barnet have offered (via web site which was read by me after responding to Phil?s e-mail) then a compromise can be found by awarding 5 Joint Winner trophies which would not be a financial burden on the League?s finances. If this is agreeable then I will action it forthwith.



[i]Morning Phil,

Yes I have read the threads and as you say that when you left the message it clearly stated that Peter could not make the Play-Offs due to a family funeral with no mention of a possible postponement. When I listened to the message the day before the Play-Offs I immediately contacted the ref.

Although this may sound harsh, the Play-Offs were played and for the League to hold them again would be discourteous to the other players concerned who played out the competition and so we, the committee, would not instruct that to happen.

Your offer of offsetting the oncost to award 5 Joint Winners via not awarding the Doubles KO Runners-Up awards is a noble and sincere offer but alas there still would be a financial shortfall to accomodate that request so I would also have to decline that.

What I will suggest is that you contact the other 4 players and if they are willing to replay the Play-Offs with the inclusion of Peter Knight then the League would have no issues with that.

Kind regards

Mark Halsey


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Wates <philip.wates@gmail.com>
To: croydonpoollge <croydonpoollge@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, 9 May 2013 22:35
Hi Mark

I don't know if you've seen the thread on website about Div 1 play-offs. Peter Knight texted me on 6 May to say he couldn't make the Tuesday because his uncle had died and he had to attend a funeral and i then left that message on your answerphone. There may have been some wires crossed because I didn't consider that the play-off could or would be rearranged and didn't realise, until reading Peter's posts on thread, that he had wanted me to ask for it to be rearranged.

Some are suggesting that it should be replayed or that 5 trophies be presented. Mark Eldridge and John Little would be willing to give up their doubles runners up trophies if that helps.

Let me know your thoughts.

Phil

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My Dad's said he's just seen the post and didn't realise why you weren't there and would have postponed it otherwise. He also said he's happy to play you whenever you want Pete and if you win, then you can share the winners with Jacko.

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This is another valid option to go in line with the original draw and no players having to waiver their awards as per their offers.

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Nice gesture from hughie but he knows as do I he beat swetty in the re drawn event so then it would not b fair on swetty as he woz drawn against me...its sad about the reasons for peters non attendance but the clear clear facts r he made no attempt to rearrange,postpone or play his semi b4 hand n there av only been comments after the event...the circumstances ov peters non attendance aside the games av been played n should stand as again I must point out no attempt woz made to rearrange...wev all gone out ov our way n juggled our lives to play in them play offs :angel:

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Tony, lets not complicate matters here ..... Gary (in that re-draw between you and him) would have played Peter Knight but originally went through as Peter was made a BYE. He has had his crack at the whip against Hughie and now Hughie himself has offered this option so I don't know where Gary comes into the equation here. Lets put the shoe on the other foot for one moment ........ suppose it was you in the position that Peter Knight found himself in and your secretary phoned me to say you could not make it without requesting a postponement of the event and it went ahead without you in it ........ what sort of noises would you be making ?

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As I'm still registered to the better halfs ill give up my runner up trophy also.

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100% agree with this mark bang on! Jacko com on mate give the guy a chance! Stop being silly!

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We need to put this to sleep as I have to submit the trophy order after Sat May 25th so the 2 options on the table that i can see is :-

1 - Ignore the previously played Play-Offs and award all 5 with Joint Winner trophies which will be funded by waivered trophies from other comps that players involved have offered.

or

2 - Peter plays Hughie to determine the Joint Winner with Tony Jackson


What's it going to be gentlemen ? and I would like to hear the thoughts of the 5 concerned players either on here or e-mail me at croydonpoollge@aol.com

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Danny danny danny the draw woz top half semi hughie v peter bottom half semi steve to play the wina out ov me n swetty so swetty woz in a different half to hughie n could not meet him til the final but as peter woz a no show swetty got shuffled up to the top half to play hughie wen actually hughie should ov ada bye but graciously agreed to the re drawn format...hughie as offered to play peter for the chance to share the title in his place....if I wer in peters situation I would ov contacted every1 n given them the option to rearrange if they did not mind...simple really but I would not ov done nothing n then questioned peoples sportsmanship if I ad not asked the question....is that clear enuf for u to understand now :angel:

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Tony, Tony, Tony ........ don't matter which way you paint this up, I don't think for one minute anyones "Sportsmanship" is being questioned here. We are faced with a situation that can be put right, In a sporting way !!! ..... so give me your thoughts to whats on the table at the moment.

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Look to me like enough people have waivered their trophies so I think there should just be 5 winners (with Tony's one being 5cm bigger if he wants! ;P)

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The Eagles would gladly forgo their k.o cup trophies to give all 5 a trophy
I have always hated the playoff option (although understand it as a financial problem).
These players turn up week in week out and I think they should all be rewarded.
As I said if there is money available by teams wavering their trophies let them all get one,
and if necessary mention Jacko and Hughie won the playoff before the league adopted another option?

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Seems to be a sensible solution to me Mr Nuttman ..... whether the other players agree or not remains to be seen!!

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Seems to me the only solution is hughie to play Peter as hughie has said the others had there chance n lost that way no 1 gives up trophies all have had a fair go.........

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Another sensible solution and as they are both on the table I really would like to know the thoughts of
Gary Swettenham, Steve Potter, Hugh Telford and Tony Jackson.

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I know Steve Potter said it was his proudest individual achievement in pool after 15 years of trying to win the individuals albeit tied, now with nothing to show for it.If Peter had been there on the night the draw would have been completely different with Gary playing Jacko in a (1st round draw) there fore it would be unfair on Hughie and the other players there that night if Peter simply played one game of pool against Hughie. I still think the fairest option is to give them all one.

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One other thing, and this is directed at Peter Knight ..... can you advise me what exactly you are looking for in this situation as this has all come about from your secretary informing me that you could not attend the play-offs due to you attending a funeral without a request for a postponement. The other 4 players turned up and played so what is your thoughts on the matter ?.

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Although it pains me to say it deutch in not being clearer to my secretary that it was my intention to contest it probably due to might state of mind and also to bring this matter to a close i feel it should just be left as it is and want to thank all those wanting to give up trophys for the 5 of us very humbling and to hughie for the oppurtunity for shot at it after all like steve potter, felt proud to end the season top and certainly wanted a crack at the playoff. It just now feels the right thing to do. Sorry for any offence i may of caused to some and will just have to put it down to experience i guess

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I AGREE U TROUBLE MAKER LOL

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I totally agree with triple c...every one won it.so now people have offered there trophies then the easy solution is for them all to get a trophie...hugie has also been very kind to offer to play peter..every one should get a trophie.as someone said people have turned up week in week out and all won it and done well.a one frame game is a joke after a whole season of playing.jacko i normally agree with what u say.just not this time.theres no reason why u all cant just share it

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I totally agree with triple c...every one won it.so now people have offered there trophies then the easy solution is for them all to get a trophie...hugie has also been very kind to offer to play peter..every one should get a trophie.as someone said people have turned up week in week out and all won it and done well.a one frame game is a joke after a whole season of playing.jacko i normally agree with what u say.just not this time.theres no reason why u all cant just share it

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I totally agree with triple c...every one won it.so now people have offered there trophies then the easy solution is for them all to get a trophie...hugie has also been very kind to offer to play peter..every one should get a trophie.as someone said people have turned up week in week out and all won it and done well.a one frame game is a joke after a whole season of playing.jacko i normally agree with what u say.just not this time.theres no reason why u all cant just share it

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That's fair comments on all that you have said, and being the League Secretary, I do have to primarily take into consideration the thoughts of the other four players and that has now become apparent from 3 out of the four to leave things as they stand.