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Posted by jacko on 28-07-2013 06:19

RIP Croydon pool ....sad to see sum guys smash there trophies outside but I kinda get where there coming from...luv u Mr H and have the greatest respect for you and our league but the trophies wear pathetic...I may be living in the past and remember big trophies for big achievements but now its like did we graft all year for these egg cups...unfortunately pubs have disappeared hench our league is dying...in the past it was so hard to win things but now theres a ever diminishing pool ov competition which dilutes ones achievements...bit gutted by it all and now im taking more ova back seat I can sound like a old man n say I remember the good old days...by the way would like to mention div1 most wins went to me n Hughie but no mention was made bout steve potter,swetty n peter knight who wer joint winas with ourselves...sorry but find it all a bit poor :angel:

Edited by jacko on 28-07-2013 16:05

Posted by Special K on 28-07-2013 16:22

Gotta agree with u jacko mate 100% rite! Although my rankings n singles trophies was first class respect for that! But it's very true that the team trophies was shocking egg cups sums them up I was there seeing people smash them in frustration the prop worked hard to get what they did n so did we and they were no bigger than an egg cup kinda gutted tbh making the league 15 frames wud make me feel better tho lol. :bounce:

Posted by Big Ben Ten on 28-07-2013 21:45

Thanks mark H and the team, I enjoyed the evening and am more than happy with the silverware. I try and win everything I play in for the accolade and sense of achievement, the trophy is just a nice little bonus and helps you remember the achievements when you're a bit older and My egg cup will do just that!

I think some of you guys are expecting a bit too much for the 10-20 quid you pay each season which has to cover not just trophies but admin, venue, dj and equipment, the website and other bits and bobs.

Posted by Muncher on 29-07-2013 01:05

Big Ben Ten wrote:
Thanks mark H and the team, I enjoyed the evening and am more than happy with the silverware. I try and win everything I play in for the accolade and sense of achievement, the trophy is just a nice little bonus and helps you remember the achievements when you're a bit older and My egg cup will do just that!

I think some of you guys are expecting a bit too much for the 10-20 quid you pay each season which has to cover not just trophies but admin, venue, dj and equipment, the website and oter bits and bobs.

Agree mate I'm not one of the best players you Will ever see so I will cherish my so called egg cup. Smashing your up something you have won. Just shows lack of respect and just sums up the attitude of where the league is wrong..

Posted by Metin250 on 29-07-2013 04:49

#10

I cant believe people care about the size of a trophy. I actually find that soo funny that people complain about it. Who ever smashed up his trophy has mugged themselves off.
Man u dont throw their medal when they won the championship coz they wanted a bigger trophy!
Champions league winners get a medal also.
Usain bolt got a medal for winning the Olympic gold.
Its what the trophy represents not the size.

Edited by Metin250 on 29-07-2013 04:51

Posted by Shaggy on 29-07-2013 06:08

#12

You could stick a winners name on an Oxo cube and I would be happy. (fortunately) being in the most successful team its easy for me to say, but the presentation night is geting together with the guys that have worked there nuts off as a team to achieve things and walk up together to collect it, not ever has it been how pretty the object it is we collect.

I can honestly say that having won a few leagues, I can categorically say this league title means more to me than any other. The trophy is completely irrelevant. We worked our nuts off to win it!

People throwing trophies up the road are either stupid, or sheep that follow stupid people, or drunk!!! No time for it.

Edited by Shaggy on 29-07-2013 06:10

Posted by Viper on 29-07-2013 14:39

#14

jacko wrote:
All I would say is our trophies wer a bit to big at one stage but now they r not reflective of ones achievements,iv played in this league many many yearsnand have watched subs increase massively and trophies become none existent iv got div4 runners up trophies from the past what would dwarf the current div1 winners ones...things change I no but I just find it all a bit sad:angel:

Tony, everyones entitled to an opinion but just a few pointers for you to consider before making rash statements .... the last time the League Fees were increased was the 2009/10 season (albeit rebates have been affected since) and at that time there was 60 teams on the books ........ We operated off 39 teams last winter league which is approx 30% loss of teams and revenue and coupled with the fact that the league also had a ?600 overdraft as such to clear, I feel that the awards were of a quality to the budget that I had to work with.

Posted by Metin250 on 29-07-2013 16:46

#15

neil wrote:
Well said shaggy totally agree with everything you said, and I'm really looking forward to playing the mighty eagles :handshake:it will be a pleasure playing the best team in the league come next winter as I dont think we have ever played you? how many titles have the eagles won on the trot now ?

" pull your tongue out of my arsehole, Gary. Dogs do that. You're not a dog, are ya Gary?"

Posted by Foxy on 29-07-2013 17:22

#16

Have to say that the size of the trophies doesn't matter to me or my fellow Small Pots. The knowledge that we won division is more than ample and the trophy is just a token to show that, regardless of size.

As for smashing up their trophies I was witness to said person and was totally disgusted with their behaviour. Not only for the disrespect shown to the league but also for the total disregard for the cars parked on the other side of the wall that the trophies were thrown over!!! If they didn't want it why not do what one of the winning teams did (Sorry can't remember who it was) and forgo their trophies and give the money to charity instead??

Posted by Spud on 29-07-2013 18:06

#18

Pond Wheatsheaf I believe that was - Nice gesture.

Echo all the comments re: The smashing up of trophies. Unbelievable... Everyone entitlted to their own opinion, but to smash up your own trophy you've worked all Winter League for??
The Ashes resuming Thursday, the England Cricket team looking to retain probably the smallest trophy in world sport... All they care about is what it represents though - and the same applies to our trophies.

It's like those people you see burning their season tickets mid-season in protest at how the clubs run..... Only fooling yourself.

Posted by Knocky on 29-07-2013 19:50

#20

Can't comment on size of trophies but what I will say is that if struggling on budget why is it that when commitie members are required to adjudicate matches like semis and finals in main and plate why do they each get paid ? 20 a turn ? Surely that should be an honor to do. If not I'm sure there's plenty of players that would do it for nothing including myself which would save the league some dosh

Posted by Viper on 29-07-2013 20:21

#21

jacko wrote:
not sure ov the costings mark but maybe medals for every none winning event n then giv people the option for a decent trophie or medals for the winners ,I totally understand the league as shrunk so there is less money to spare so would medals make a substantial difference?:angel:

Tony,

I have tried for years to put a proposal through that for all team events (whether Winners, Runners-Up or Semi-Finalists) that all players are awarded medals and the Individual Awards are Trophies. I can get various size and colour medals (in presentation cases) that do reflect this ie :

87mm Gold for all League, League Cup and KO Cup Winners
60mm Silver for all the above Runners-Up
56mm Bronze for all Cup Semi-Finalsts
38mm Bronze for Stage 1 Group Winners in the League Cup

After costing this up using the numbers that we had on Saturday this would have cost ?182 more than what was paid out for the trophies on Sat night but would have been ?538 less than what we paid in 11/12, ?1031 less than 10/11, ?1791 less than 09/10, ?1768 less than 08/09, ?2398 less than 07/08 and 1024 less than 06/07.

Personally, I think its the way forward as the bigger picture presents lower fees if the League should grow again but if it continues into decline then there won?t be a League and we would not be having this conversation.

Posted by Viper on 29-07-2013 20:25

#22

knocky wrote:
Can't comment on size of trophies but what I will say is that if struggling on budget why is it that when commitie members are required to adjudicate matches like semis and finals in main and plate why do they each get paid ? 20 a turn ? Surely that should be an honor to do. If not I'm sure there's plenty of players that would do it for nothing including myself which would save the league some dosh

This was recognised last season by the committee themselves Chris and only finals are done now.

Posted by qwerty on 29-07-2013 23:04

#23

At the end of the day if you win a trophy its yours, wether you want to piss in it, throw it away or f.u.c.k.i.n.g frame it and hang it from your ceiling like a chandelier it's yours to do whatever you want with it.. Some people don't even bother to turn up to collect them yet I don't see them getting slated on here and I bet half the people on this website that are b.itching about this certain individual or individuals throw there's away ..

Edited by qwerty on 29-07-2013 23:07

Posted by qwerty on 30-07-2013 00:04

#25

metin250 wrote:

If u dont want the trophy then dont turn up to collect it, better still dont enter the league.

So by this post I take it you mean that you should only enter this pool league in the hunt for trophies? And therefor all the teams that turn up on Tuesdays purely for a night out, a beer and game of pool win or lose should not enter next season? just because someone doesn't feel the same for a trophy as others doesn't mean they don't care about the league or people in the league ..

Edited by qwerty on 30-07-2013 00:32

Posted by Metin250 on 30-07-2013 00:46

#26

No play the league all you want but turning up to the presentation night and excepting an award then throwing them against the wall coz they are not big enough just says disrespectful!
I for one aint that bothered either way about the size of trophies but i would nt except it then throw it back in the guys face who gave it to me.
People enter league pool for various reasons but you cant tell me that winning something doesnt mean anything to you!
The idea of a trophy is to remind you of that achievement in the years to come and be proud of it , big or small. If that person didnt want it then they should have said so earlier and the money could have gone somewhere else.
At least discard it at home and not outside the venue for everyone to see! Lol

Posted by Brooker on 30-07-2013 02:39

#27

You lot make me laugh.

Every year for about the past decade you have been moaning about the presentation night, bad location, not enough bar staff,wrong venue, no parking, presentation was held too late because i wanted to turn up at 8.30, get my trophy at 8.40 & f**k of at 8.50 without buying a drink.

How many of you went up to the likes of Mark Halsey, Bob Todd or any of the other committee members saturday night & said thanks.

Some of them have been running this league since i started playing 29 years ago without any financial reward or gain other than providing a pool league for us to play in & enjoy & year in year out all they seem to get is grief.

The world is full of millions of people who say i could do that, but in fact there are very few that actually get off their a*ses & actually do it. Enjoy what we have why we have it because as soon as these guys call it a day i bet there will be very few people willing to take their places & even fewer who will do as good a job as they have done over the years.

Stop moaning that yout trophy doesn't match the size of your ego & appreciate it for what it represents.

If you think smashing your trophy outside the venue in which the committee booked a night out for you, arranged the purchase of the trophies, arranged delivery of the trophies, set all the trophies out, collated all the information throughout the year so they knew who won them & then presented them to you out of their own time & effort isn't disrespectful then you are wrong, because it is.

Try appreciating what they do & saying thanks for once instead of finding something to moan about, they don't make a profit & all the funds are put back into the league one way or another, so you got the trophy that you paid for which is a lot more than other teams who won nothing.

Its just a game of pool, try enjoying it, didn't see Mark or Bob pick up a trophy Saturday night (Maybe they did, i couldn't hear because of all the noise, more disrespect for your fellow players this time) it didn't stop them & others putting on a good night so you could all pick up yours.

Edited by Brooker on 30-07-2013 02:41

Posted by I C Cool on 30-07-2013 19:07

#33

Danny I have the greatest respect for you and all the people that wish to make a buck because you are capable, but getting rinsed perpetually is not fun for lesser mortals!! so please form your own league and fund it accordingly if its all about ????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see many people that will and have enthused re MONEY but the majority of croydon pool members do not!! they are very happy to participate and get any awards however big/small they are when due.

I for one have played to a reasonable standard over the MANY years I have been a CDPL member and have pushed from div6(yes div6) when there were a great many more venues/teams and players wishing to enjoy a monday/tuesday night out with pals for a drink and some pool, if an award came there way a bonus.

Oh! btw, Chris, Mr Halsey did collect an award with The Loyalists saturday.

P.S. I did see the trophy destruction that is being talked about and was very disappointed with the individual concerned and voiced an opinion, a great shame alcohol destroys the rationale.

P.P.S Many thanks to the committee (Mark H, Mark S, Bob,Jason & Chris & Dj,s), I thoroughly enjoyed the evening as did my daughter(bless
her cotton socks).

Dr.Cool.

Posted by Knocky on 30-07-2013 20:19

#34

[quote]I C Cool wrote:

P.S. I did see the trophy destruction that is being talked about and was very disappointed with the individual concerned and voiced an opinion, a great shame alcohol destroys the rationale.

P.P.S Many thanks to the committee (Mark H, Mark S, Bob,Jason & Chris & Dj,s), I thoroughly enjoyed the evening as did my daughter(bless
her cotton socks).

Dr.Cool.[/quote. We all know which player is too blame for the trophy throwing and yet ******* all is done and yes this same person caused problems at the last presentation come on Croydon pool show some balls will ya. Mick o donnell our sec would have told him he's no longer required, and don't defend him by saying he's young and learning ffs boat already sailed

Posted by the-shark on 30-07-2013 20:39

#35

money money money thats not what tues is about. anyway being the budget in the league is dwindling every year what would any individual who won anything realistically receive? ?15-?20 at best? hardly worth it really is it! as many have said its not the size of the trophy its the achievement that matters. still one good thing about it being a money league i guess is that you cant imagine the same idiot on saturday throwing a ?20 note away. eh

Posted by I C Cool on 30-07-2013 20:53

#36

Knocky, I do know to whom we r speaking of but I do feel it is not my place to quell this instance but to advise said individual, also, said individual was not a member of my collective and was showing his disdain from past circumstances I feel, to which I cannot comment as I do not know the full story.

He is now a member of my merry band and has been informed of our displeasure of behaviour to which there has been an improvement of temperament. WATCH THIS SPACE!!!

Edited by I C Cool on 30-07-2013 20:59

Posted by jacko on 30-07-2013 23:40

#40

I believe I saw trophies bein smashed but cant b totally sure who did it,all I noticed woz a certain group ov people around laughing at it...whoever knows who it was should say,i woz thinking it woz my fav group ov people but steves comments are making me think it woz sum young ex prop kid....please confirm steve....fancy we need to have sum code ov conduct rules,smashing these trophies whilst stil at the presentation is a pure insult to our league and yes barry they may well have the right to do so but not at the venue itself,i say we simply tell this person or persons there no longer invited to play in our league...:angel:

Posted by Statto on 31-07-2013 06:52

#44

I would like to offer another thought...for those of you that know me, you will know that I have been in the league for nearly 20 years...never have been and probably never will be a first division player, but I believe in this league...I go out every Tuesday to do my best and enjoy a night out, win or lose. It is nearly 6 years since I last missed a league game.

When you have picked yourselves up off the floor, finished throwing comments at the computer screen, and changed your trousers, think about this....I have only won a few league trophies in my time, but the ones I do have stand proudly on display in my living room. THIS HAS INSPIRED MY SON TO TAKE UP POOL. Whilst he is only a junior, and doesn't have the talent of someone like Billy Barnett, he has plenty of time to improve. The only way this league will continue over many years is by bringing in new blood. Where better than to get youngsters (and their mates) involved. I would be interested to find out what inspired the likes of Tom Telford and Aaron Taylor to start playing pool. As has previously been said, it is not the size of the trophy that is important, but more what it represents. It provides a legacy to those that follow us.

Yes I would like to see bigger trophies, but the logistics of the league as it stands make this impossible. By the same token, those that win trophies year in, year out don't always keep them, so why should the league spend money on something that some people don't appreciate?

I personally treasure those trophies I have won, and regardless of the size they provide a lasting memento to those acheivements. They can be the inspiration for a whole new generation of pool players...think about it.