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The Singles 2nd Round Draw can be found here http://www.croydo...ingles.pdf

Either it's an incredibly massive coincidence or the Division One players have been seeded to play a Division Two or below player :lol:

Deutch can you confirm this if is the case?

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I noticed that too . . . Seems a little strange.

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What price would you have got for that then????,
Or was it set that way ??

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Can somebody explain what was the reasoning for all 1st Div players getting a bye in 1st round? This is bad enough in my opinion but if as it seems they are being kept apart in round 2 then this is bang out of order. :wrong:

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I think it should be a Redraw. So the single is played fair, All the way through .

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redraw for me to.:swear:

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Why? I think the seeding is quite good idea considering the allowances were made to leave Div One players out in the first round . . Soon there'll be proposals for Div Two and below to have a one frame start and home advantage too . .

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In fact I have decided that it's a really good idea especially as Division One didn't get their own Singles competition when everyone else got a plate event . .

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Leave it as it is !!
I for one am really looking forward to playing one of Croydon's finest and I know my team-mate feels the same.

This whole plate thing has got me .. I thought it was for 1st round losers anyhow?
I can now see why there was loads of 1st round no shows! :eek2:

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WHY ?.......bring it up at the AGM and see WHY:swear:

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I know WHY your all scared stiff you may get KOed in the 1-2 round.
:nerner::razz:

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Yep that's it . .

. . people seem to get bigger boners over the AGM than actually playing pool these days :lol:

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its perfect - you either k/o a div 1 bod or you get a second chance against all the losers bar the div 1 players. We cant have it both ways.

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i am playing keith barnetson in round 2. I am away w/c 5/11 for the week can you pm me Keith so this can be played another day...

cheers.

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Scott, you'd do well contacting his Secretary as I don't believe Daddy Keith uses the site.

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cheers, i have pm'd The Power also... He does have he's uses!! :)

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Steady on son! We could quite easily claim it you know!!

Its not a problem and I have just sent you a PM with Keiths numbers so you can rearrange with him.

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Pondlife, I have sent you a PM regarding my match with Brian McGinty.

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So what happens if a Division One player loses? They go into the plate, do they? I'm confused.

If a Division One player ends up winning the plate, then all the lower division bods will kick up saying it's pointless!!

AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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Nope.

Says at the bottom of the draw that the plate is for non-first division players only.

I will make a point at this stage, that most of the first division secretarys present at the AGM voted AGAINST this method, however, it was carried by majority vote.
I think the perception amongst most players not in the know, is that the first division players pushed for this as "We're better than them"
That is certainly not the case.
I suggest you consult your own secretaries on tueday evenings, as it was the vast majority of lower division secretaries that voted this in.

This applies to any and every proposal voted in.
The first division secretaries only make up about 17% of the secretaries eligible to vote, yet get made out to be the bad guys when something gets voted in.

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Being completely arrogant for once only a first Dvision player, or someone that has been a first Division player (ie Andy Shaw for example) will win the singles anyway. As Jamie Mc says beat as many first Division players as you can, take a few scalps and be happy.

Frankly if someones aim is to win the plate then that clearly demonstrates ttheir chance of winning the singles. Zero nan cubed!

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My point is if all the 1st div playes win,and on paper they should.
Thats no one left in the Croydon District Pool League Singles
in Div 2-3-4-5 for the real 2ed round.
AND THAT IS VERY SAD :sigh:

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But first Division players only account for 20% of the league. If everyone entered the competition and all Div one players are guaranteed playing teams from lower leagues (a further 20%), the remaining entrants 60% from the lower divisions would be playing each other.

I think getting a bye to the first round proper is more than sufficent, and this is even only valid, because there is another comp for non first division players, my personal opinion is it should be an open draw throughout. But hey, I wasnt at the AGM so have no idea what was actually agreed.

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Over a much longer distance, I'd agree, this method could potentially wipe most of the lower division players but you have to consider it's only best of 3 at this stage.

Any player in with a shout can beat a division 1 player twice. Personally, I couldn't care less who I play in this round, I'll be just as up for it now I'm playing a Div1 player as I would if it was a Div5, probably even more so. If anyone goes into this round expecting to lose just because they're playing a Div1 player, then they probably will, as they've lost in their own head already.

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And one thing to remember is that are an awful lot of average players in Div 1....

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Why is that very sad?

There is too much emphasis on divisional status as it is . . You have players like Brooker and Clive Taylor in Division Two because they are loyal to the Legion who will rape the extreme majority of the Div Two and below anyway yet they weren't excluded on that basis were they?

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Saying that im a division 2 player and im playing against Tony Jackson.. Div 1 in round 2

Actually im rubbish, im gonna stay out of this - lol

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Hi me again

I don't mind who plays who, I like playing first div players myself. My gripe is the draw. It leans favourable to first div players.

It's not seeding, it's segragating.

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So when does the plate competition come into effect anyway?

If it's only for first round losers, and does not include first division players, why is it not being played alongside the second round?:?:

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Because second round losers also get put into the plate! :eek2:

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OH MY GOD. I've read this over and over and I can't help but to have a bite on this.

In my opinion, the idea of having a plate competition of which a certain Divisions players are excluded from was laughable from the start. Every Division pays the same amount of money to play in the League, yet Division One players have one less competition they can enter.

Yet NOW it's being moaned about that the draw 'leans favourable to Division One players?!!!!'

THE WHOLE PLATE LEANS FAVOURABLE TO EVERYONE BUT DIVISION ONE - so what's your point, exactly?

There are, in my opinion, maybe 10 people MAXIMUM in Division One who have the ability and mentality to win the Singles competition. And thanks to the Lower Divisions Secretaries voting this plate competition in, it is excluding the 90% of Division One players who aren't going to win the main singles comp. That's nice.

If a proposal for a Division One ONLY Singles competition was out forward in February, the lower divisions would laugh it out. A bit like when it was proposed that World Rules should only be introduced into Division One to start with; the lower divisions went mad because they thought they were missing out and now do nothing but piss and whinge about them.

Truly unbelievable.


Lils of Division Four.

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First sensible post you've made in well over two years . .

The bottom line is that you're fcuked if you do and you're fcuked if you don't . . No matter what you do there is always going to be someone pissing and whinging about it . . You just can't help some people . .

. . cue the usual suspect secretaries to put in their proposals for some other stupid notion when they don't even play the game themselves :no:

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And with posts like that we wonder why we get a div1 versus the rest attitude.

I do agree with the point if people dont like the singles format I'm pretty sure they are not forced to play. We all knew the format before we started playing.

And the idea of a plate comp is also a good one it has worked very well in many other games. It just keeps the interest going for players who would probably otherwise not get a chance.

I think people are getting to het up about nothing it is what it is. If it doesn't work then maybe bring it up at the next AGM and something can be done to change things. Remember change is not always a bad thing. World rules etc.. But lets just give it a go this season and you never know it might actually be enjoyed and become a success.

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And on most Tuesday nights you will find them down at Elmer Lodge in Beckenham.

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Your Mum.

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The 'us and them' attitude had only been highlighted by the fact that not only were Division One excluded from the first round of all competitions but were then not allowed to have their own singles competition when everyone else got a seperate competition . . Before then everyone got on like one big happy family . .

Think of it like The Waltons all of a sudden telling John-Boy that he's a cnut and telling him that he's not welcome in the house before 12pm . . So John-Boy thinks to himself "OK I'll get my own house if they're going to be like that" only for them to say "No sorry John-Boy we're not allowing you to do that either . . Do you think you're special or something?"

He'd come back with a pitchfork and stab the cnuts that's what he'd do . . In their fcuking eyes too . .

Don't ask me where the Waltons analogy came from but you see my point . .

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where did the waltons analogy come from?????? you are different..:lol:

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I presume if there's that much upset on Walton's Mountain, they won't be submitting a team again next season. That's a stroke of luck anyway, Virginia USA is slightly further away from Croydon than Biggin Hill or Lewisham.. :lol:

John-Boy in a pitchfork eye stabbing scandal... who'd have thought it? I always assumed it'd be Jim-Bob, he was always the stroppy trouble maker.
:chair:

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Personally i feel that this years competition is weaker than last year due to no Drillers players present in the draw:lol:

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Hi i must apologize to all but i was miss informed and did't know there had been a vote for a plate comp,and that 1st div players could not play.
As for me im up for only one open singles comp for all and you must stay in it to win it.

WITH LOVE GENTLEBREEZE :band::band::strip:

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Harry - I've pm'd you about your game

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Thanks mate, I have replied

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So you could lose in the first round, your opponent gets beat in the second, and you get drawn against him in the plate....:?::wall::huh::wrong::no::O:

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If you'd have been at the AGM, you'd know this . . . .

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:O: :O:
If Statto was not there, who made the tea ??? :lol:

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No-one. But I had to take the minutes. :movingon:

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Never mind the tea, apparently the Guinness sales on that night were an all time low. They'd even ordered in a couple of extra barrels just in case, as they hadn't realised Statto wasn't going to make it.

:bounce:

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OI!!!!

I resemble that remark!!!

:drunk:

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:?:can some one help me work this out. some how we have ended up with 35pairs and 68singles matches in the second round of theses
knock-out competitions. these numbers just don't workout right surely there should be 32 and 64matches or some one will get a bye in the rounds to come.the pre-lim round should have sorted this out.

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The 34 Div 1 entrants should have been given a bye to 1st round along with whatever number of players from the other divisions would have been needed to make it up to 64 or 128. Maybe the prelim winners got a bye to the next round?

Whose great idea was this?

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:box::threaten::chair::hanged::omfg::fan:

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I believe the majority of Secretaries voting this in were from the Division 2 and below. Maybe they can explain.

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:lol::lol::lol: I doubt it :lol::lol::lol:

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Whether I got this right or wrong remains to be seen, but its a logistic nightmare for all comps at the mo with the terms and conditons of the plate comps. I have gone along with what was voted in but the stumbling block is the interpretation of whether the preliminary is seen as the actual 1st round. All comps will have to run their course as it is this season and it will pan out to 128's, 64's, 32's etc etc etc. What I would like to see is no prelim and all entrants entered into the 1st round ie: taking the numbers from the Singles this year :-
209 total entries broke down to read 62 divisions 1, 147 others ... 61 of the 147 to play Div.1 - 86 others to play themselves (43 v 43) and 47 BYES entered to show 23 v 23 (Leaving 23 to be entered into the 2nd Round and the 1 remaining BYE to be the remaining 1st Div player fixture. As I said earlier the only stumbling block is the fact that 1st Div Players at the mo are not entered into the 1st Round. Chew it over, give it some thought and let me know your opinions.

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Mark you're the gaffer . . Do it how you see fit and tell them that's the way it is . .

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Does Andy Castrinakis use this site or anyone else from Penge Club A
As i would lke to arrange to play our singles match early on Monday - Say 7-7.30pm (Rather than the usual 8.30-9.30ish)

If anyone has his phone number please PM me

Ta

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I'm just a democratically elected official of this League and will always undertake the directions outlined within our general meetings .... until something is tried you never know of any problems at the time that things are voted in but can you imagine the nightmare of trying to also police and undertake the fact that players with 1st division experience over the last 5 years would not be eligible for the plate comps either as first proposed .... ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE ... so hence my concerns over this last August.

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if you have total of 209 players (62 first div.+147 lower div.)
how about this you could have had a first round with all players 209+47 byes =256off going into the draw which makes 128 first round games in total.with all 62 first div. players drawing lower div players.
Orthe only other way i can see is, if the first div. players must have a bye then you have a prelim round of 30 players from the lower div .leaving 117 off plus the 15 prelim winners =132off in the first round =66winners +the 62 first div. players=128off to play in the next round.

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So is the plate comp to run off the 15 losers in the prelim or are they added to the losers in the 2nd round because if the later is so .... That is what I'm doing at the moment. Your first scenario is near on exactly what I stated originally (other than the fact that Div.1 players are not entered until Round 3). I think that you are on the right lines but the fact remains that everyone should be entered into the 1st round with BYE's entered accordingly so tat the 2nd Round for both comps will run similtaneous with the same numbers in each... Thanks for your input.

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Not this season.....

Andy Shaw 1-2 Scott Lansing

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Wayne Collier 1 v 2 Sean Halligan

Enjoyable game against a top bloke.
Might of nicked it on another day.

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Stuart Malton (Penge Con Club A) 1 Mat Ansell 2
Luke Davis 1 Paul Southwell (Forum A) 2
Dean Speller (Maple Tree) 0 Paul Saxton 2
James Davis 2 Brian Clarke (Magnum Force) 1 or 2 - 0 not sure

Dont know how Dipesh got on

Matt Palmer and Rob Spry NBW to opponents

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2 results from the Penge Con Club :

Stuart Malton 1 - 2 Matt Ansell

Andy Castrinakis 2 - 1 Dave Truan

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Darren Ball (Pawleyne) 1 - Paul Whooley (Goodfellas) 2

A tough game in which Darren was very unlucky in the decider. Great match though and i'm sure he will be up there in the plate comp.

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Darren Porter (Bloodhounds) 0 - Mark Stallard (Goodfellas) 2

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Langley Sports results:

Richard Turly beat Barrie Parrant (Bloodhounds) 2-0
Paul Richards (Patriots) beat Peter Harding 2-0
Peter Mouncer beat Cathryn Fox (Farley Loyalists B) 2-1

Bromley Cue Masters results:

Stuart Thompson beat Roy Taylor (Penge Trades) 2-0
Andy Bentley beat David Wheatley (The Warbank) 2-0 (I think)

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Me (Goodfellas) 2 - 1 Allan Goodall (Patriots)

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Other Eden results:
Peter Watts 1-2 Steve Rowlerson (Farley Loyalists)
Barry Watkins 2-0 Steve Miles (Imperials)
Keely Clarke (Better Halfs) 2-1 Arthur Hewson
Keith Barnetson P-P Scott Harrison (Warbank): TBA
Brian McGinty (Pond Q's) v Alex Barnetson: Playing tonight

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3 out of 4 of the Rack Pack are through:

Me
Paul Da Silverware cha cha cha
Pete "The Rocket" Esseku

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Firstly, i'm loving the fact that Arta got beat by a female. He was probably perving too much to see what was going on . . . :shag:

Also, what with the name Paul Da Silverware? The only thing that foo foo could have ever won was his 25 metre swimming badge and he probably put his foot down halfway through.

Maybe 'couldn't Paul Da Muscle' would be more appropriate.

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* Sits waiting patiently for triple C's response . . . :elol:

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If he attacks the plate comp like he attacks a dinner plate, the rest may as well give up now. It's a no contest.

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3 Eagles through.
Nuttmeg, Golden and myself.
Pickett playing tonight.

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i won 2-0 vs martin pantony

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Correction: Kyle played last night and is through.

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2-1 mate. Nice guy Brian.

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thats what you think, not many people know this but he spent seven years inside for armed robbery,the Croydon Advertiser dubbed him "SHOTGUN CLARKE".Glad you played him I wouldn't have had the bottle:eek2:

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I wondered why he arrived in a meat wagon and there were two armed guards watching the game :threaten::D