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The Croydon Singles League is back!

When? - Thursday 6th March 2008 onwards
Where? - Rileys Purley Way
How Much? - ?40 Entry Fee & ?2 Per Player, Per Fixture
Who? - 2 Divisions of 10 Players
How Long? - 14 Week Schedule
Prizes? - ?1,000+ Prize Fund

For further information contact Sean Kelly . .

Email -
PM - http://www.croydo...msg_send=4

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Confirmed Entries . .

Rod Altes PAID
Danny Evans PAID
Hugh Telford PAID
Micky Samuels PAID
Sean Kelly PAID
Chris Knock PAID
Mark Miller PAID ?58
Charles BurrowsPAID
Paul Saxton PAID
Kyle Pickett PAID ?58
Dan Mason PAID
Mark Stallard PAID
Donna Evans PAID
Jon Prothero
Mick Huggins PAID
Paul Whooley PAID
Phil WatesPAID
Paul Da Silveira PAID ?58
Martin Duncan PAID
Richard Morley PAID

Reserve List . .

John Hoy

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? The league will consist of two divisions of ten players. Divisional status will be decided by the Organisers as they see fit and will not be negotiable.
? Entry to the league will be ?40 and payable prior to 29th February 2008. In addition, a ?2 match fee will apply per player, per fixture for the duration of the league. All match fees are to be paid prior to the relevant fixture commencing. Please see the Payout Structure for prize information. All prizes are subject to entries.
? The league will run over 13 weeks. Please see the Fixture Schedule for further information.
? All scheduled matches are to be played on the relevant Thursday with an 8pm start time. Every attempt should be made to play fixtures on the set date and at the set time. Should a player be unable to fulfil a particular fixture they should notify the Organisers as soon as possible, but in all circumstances before the match date.
? Each league fixture will consist of 12 frames, played to current WEPF World Rules, with the exception of the ?one-minute? rule.
? In each fixture, the two players will lag to decide who breaks first.
? Matches are to be played on specific tables, as determined by a random draw carried out by the Organisers.
? All fixtures are to be played at Rileys Purley Way.
? A player will gain one point per frame won, two points for a match win and one point for a match draw.
? Final league placing will be determined in order of the most points won. If two players are level on points, the number of matches won, then the number of frames scored will be the deciding factor. If the players are still level after the head-to-head record is taken into account, a play-off will be arranged.
? As stated above, matches are to start at 8pm. Unless notified prior to the Organisers, a player will be deducted 1 league point per 15 minutes of lateness up to a maximum of 5 league points per instance.
? Also as previously stated, matches are to be played on the scheduled Thursday. Unless notified prior to the Organisers, a player will be deducted 5 points for not attending a fixture in the first instance. The second instance will carry a 10 point penalty with a third instance resulting in withdrawal from the league. All missed matches will still need to be played should the player remain in the league. These matches will be rescheduled to be played in the next ?break? week.
? Should any player leave the league and not complete their fixture programme, the following will apply:
If a player has played less than 50% of matches: All results for that player will be removed and become void.
If a player has played over 50% of matches: Average results will apply and will be applied at the point of the relevant fixture. All previous results will stand.
? A relegation/promotion system will operate for subsequent seasons with the bottom three in the Premier Division and the top three in Division One being affected.
? Should any disputes arise between players during a frame, the Organisers will act as Referees on the day and will have the final decision.
? Players will need to supply a valid email address and mobile telephone number at point of payment as all notifications will be carried out via these channels.
? All monies paid to the league are non-refundable.
? The Organisers? decision will be final in all matters regarding the league.

?The Croydon Singles League is intended for players to enjoy competitive pool, the ability to improve your game through practice with players of all standards, and most of all for enjoyment. The structure of the payouts is to ensure that as many players as possible have the opportunity to play in a structured league format, and the opportunity to win some cash prizes?

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Entry Fee - ?40.00
Weekly Fee - ?2

20 Players x ?40 = ?800
20 Players x ?2 x 9 Match Weeks = ?360
Total Income = ?1,160

Premier 1st - ?200
Premier 2nd - ?150
Premier 3rd - ?100
Premier 4th - ?75

Div One 1st - ?160
Div One 2nd - ?120
Div One 3rd - ?80
Div One 4th - ?60

Total League Prizes = ?945
Remaining Fund (?1,160-?945) = ?215

Plate Prize Fund Breakdown

Semi Finalists = 2 x ?20
Runner-Up = ?30
Winner = ?40

Total Plate Prizes = ?110
Remaining Fund (?215-?110) = ?105

Trophy & Buffet Fund = ?105

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What odds is someone prepared to offer me on Saxton not winning this?

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Sorry, I don't gamble.

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As he will, I would imagine, be in Division Two he will have a far better chance of winning matches than in last years competition.

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Ah put my name down, it'd be a great way to see how my game as improved within the past year. Plus being in division two should help. :winner:

Regards,
Charles Burrows

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enjoyed the last one,apart from the baby tantrums,:blah::Dput me down please

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To spare us all from the almost unavoidable bitching and back-biting, I have a suggestion. Firstly have Rod Altes registered as an bona-fide charity. All other participants could then arrange a direct-debit facility to transfer the money straight into his bank account. They could then claim their highest rate of tax relief on contributions. A definite winner !!

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lol

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Count me in for this.

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Me too if there is still space?? Will pay up on Mon / Tues next week.

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I honestly dont think there will be so much bitching. Players will only be accepted into the league if the organisers believe they will 100% carry out there obligations. They will enjoy it because they are playing people of similar standard, and irrespective of monies they still have to play towards promotion, relegation and seedings for the plate.

In addition 99% of the grief last year was people trying to get the smallest advantage for cash reasons. As the winner of Div 1 gets about a third of what he would have got last time you would hope the stab in the back ruthless mentality of last year will not be repeated.

From the lesser players point of view at least 4 new people in (Div 1) will be getting money they probably wouldn't have got last year.

Money is the root of most pool evil.

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their

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For the lazy people can you explain who gets entered in to the plate please?

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I presume its people that havent won any money in the leagues. Daniel will no doubt explain the format

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Essentially Shaggy's right . .

Premier Top Four and Division One Top Four are excluded . .
Premier 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th plus Division One 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th are included . .

Premier 9th & 10th plus Division One 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th have prelims in the following format
(1)Div One 10th v Div One 9th
(2)Div One 8th v Div One 7th
(3)Div One 6th v Div One 5th
(4)Premier 10th v Premier 9th

The winners progress to play the remaining four players (Div One 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th) to make up the quarter finals as follows . .
(5)Premier 5th v Winner of (1)
(6)Premier 6th v Winner of (2)
(7)Premier 7th v Winner of (3)
(8)Premier 8th v Winner of (4)

Semi Finals
(9)Winner of (5) v Winner of (8)
(10)Winner of (6) v Winner of (7)

Final
(11)Winner of (9) v Winner of (10)

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Stick me in please

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Please Note - All entry fees are to be paid by Friday 29th February 2008 WITHOUT FAIL. Players who have not paid by this date will have their place offered to those on the reserve list. There will be no exception to this rule.

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06/03/2008 - Week 1
13/03/2008 - Week 2
20/03/2008 - Week 3
27/03/2008 - Break
03/04/2008 - Week 4
10/04/2008 - Week 5
17/04/2008 - Week 6
24/04/2008 - Break
01/05/2008 - Week 7
08/05/2008 - Week 8
15/05/2008 - Week 9
22/05/2008 - Break
29/05/2008 - Plate & Presentation Night

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Bollocks i'm in New York on 29/05. :hand:

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Well make sure you finish in the money then ;)

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Confirmed Divisional Status

Premier Division
Rod Altes
Danny Evans
Hugh Telford
Micky Samuels
Sean Kelly
Chris Knock
Mark Miller
Charles Burrows
Kyle Pickett
Phil Wates

Division One
Paul Saxton
Dan Mason
Mark Stallard
Donna Evans
Jon Prothero
Mick Huggins
Paul Whooley
Paul Da Silveira
Martin Duncan
Richard Morley

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very surprised mark miller is in div 2

i expect him 2 win that quite easy

any bets anybody ????????????

not u donna
i know u dont bet :lol:

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;) :lol:

I agree that Mr Hartley-Miller is Premier Division material, but who would you drop from the Premier Division to move him up that wouldn't also have a massive chance of winning the lower Division? I can't see another option myself.

The way I understand it, Mark finished something like 13th from 16 last season, above Gary 'I'm taking my ball and going home' Swettenham, Charles Burrows and Paul Saxton, so I guess he should feel lucky that he's virtually guaranteed to make money this season (unless he wanted to defend his Plate title!) :lol:

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Could we not just push Mark Miller into the premier division and hope that nobody notices !!

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Or you could always extend the season by one more week, pop Miller up to the Premier and add Martin Duncan to Div One, as he really wants to play in this . . .

And Mark feels a bit put out by being placed in Division One anyway, so everyones a winner . . .

Come on organisers - make it happen! :)

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It might muck the fixtures up somewhat Pat but it's always worth a try :lol:

Mark finished in 14th place and that was below Gary Swettenham and Dave Goodall who had withdrawn some time before . . Looking at the standard of the players concerned Mark Miller is an obvious favourite for the title but with the entries that were received there was no other option . .

In an ideal world we would have had a lower divisional player enter instead of Phil Wates (no offence Phil lol) but the priority was to fill the event rather than cherry pick players only for it to go wrong just before it starts . .

By the time this league has run it's course there will be yet more tables at Rileys so the relevant relegation/promotions will take place and things will even themselves out . .

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No.

Not only will it add 'byes' into the schedule but it means recalculating an already published prize breakdown and players have already started paying on the basis that it's a 10 person division.

Should a space come up then Martin Duncan will be the first to know . .

And Miller should not be put out as he finished 14th last time so he has no excuses :nerner:

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Fair enough, but compared to the shit that went on in last years maiden season, I would have thought chucking a few byes into the Premier and a bit more money in the prize fund before the season starts would be easy peasy, lemon squeezy . . . Couldn't really see anyone complaining about Mark going back into the Premier where he wants to be.

At least you know someone is ready and waiting to part with their cash if any one player doesn't pay by the deadline.

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Exactly . . The rules have been rewritten and measures put in palce to ensure that the farce of last time round doesn't happen again . .

In an ideal world everyone above involved will pay before the end date but should that not happen there will be ample people waiting to take their place . .

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in my opinion and it is just an opinion

mark miller should be in div 1

where he finished last year shouldnt really count and he did win the plate

personally
i think phil wates and mark miller should swap places

no offence against phil
but
he is the new boy on the block and therefore i think he should start in div 2

on top of all this and again its only my opinion

i think mark miller is a better player then phil wates :O:

please discuss folks :blah:

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Again just my opinion.....

Neither should be in Div 2. And either of them will burn up Div 2 with the tank half full whilst playing with one eye shut & standing on one foot.

Longshanks would defeat Miller, 8 times out of 10.

Just my opinion....:sprint:

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I'm not sure that's strictly true - if there had been 2 divisions in the first season and a 'three up, three down' type relegation/promotion system in place, then he'd have been relegated due to his poor season.

In comparison, the British Legion don't belong in the Croydon League Division 2, but their shitty season said they did.

Unfortunately there are more 'good' players than bad that want into this and the organisers have to make a decision. In my opinion (that seems to be a very popular site phrase at the moment, so I'll follow the trend . . ) I can't see any player in Division One who should be dropped down to allow Mark to be put up.

No doubt Mark will finish at or near the top of the 2nd Division, as will the British Legion in the C&DPL. Then they'll both respectively get their chances in the Division they should belong in.

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That's pretty much the long and short of it . . Be it Phil or Miller that goes into Division Two, they will be favourites to win it but at the same time we done the best we could with the entries we received . .

We'd rather there be this slight unbalance than cherry pick entries, turn people away and run the risk of having to do a u-turn nearer the start date . .

In SPPL it's exactly the same . . I am in the 2nd Division now having won the 1st Division a couple of years ago . . I left the league and when I rejoined there were already sufficient entries for a strong 1st Division and therefore I was put in the 2nd . . I'm a strong favourite to win it and it can be seen to be unfair on those in the same division but at the same time they can't turn my entry away, adjust the number in each division or kick someone out of Division One who is there be rights, just to accommodate me . .

We've decided division status as best as we can given the entries we've received and the resources available to us . . This won't be the last CSL so once the rules have settled and the league expanded, players will find their appropriate playing level . . It's just a matter of time . .

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i think the goons 5-1 thumping by the mighty spurs has clouded your mind a bit cliff.!.! maybe your still even depressed about it. ha ha. marks a good solid methodical player but phil on his day has to much flair for the old boy. :clap:

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Why don't you just have one division?

Is Cliff still smarting over Spurs doing the Arsenal, he hasn't mentioned his disapointment :winking:

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H, you're losing the plot fella!

One division with 20 players + . . . Hmmmmmm.

I believe the whole point of expanding was to get more people interested in playing. Your Paul Saxtons of the world who have enough money to be able to pay to enter 36 leagues with next to no hope of getting any return because the players are 200 times better 'just for the practice' are few and far between. (No malice intended Paul; just trying to make a point.)

I will pay to play because yes, I want to play in a longer match format, but it does nothing for me to be slapped up each and every week, struggling to put one or two frames on the scoresheet. I think in a lower Division, I may well be able to string a few frames together if I play well enough.

If that's defeatest, then so be it. But I know my level of play. Especially right now.

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why have 3 divisions the top 9, the bottom 9 and another one for just phil and miller!!!:razz:

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I lost the plot years ago!!!

Seriously, I reckon at least 5 people will pull out of this within the first couple of months, for various reasons. So one division will be fine, and everyone can play with each other (Ooer!)

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:lol:

As I said earlier, I personally wouldn't enter with one division of 15 players. Even if the top 5 players of Division 1 were the ones pulling out. The attraction of a lower division has drawn new players in.

Why shouldn't the Singles League expand through demand and popularity? It's not like it's being run as a profitable business by the Organisers.

I played in the SPPL singles league when it was one division. Now it has 4 divisions and is probably the best run singles league around. Expansion and progress are a good thing all the while there are good people prepared to take the time and effort to run it well.

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Why is that then? Bit of a bold statement imo . .

We had two people drop out last time and that was when the rules changed every week, matches rearranged and postponed every week, matches claimed etc. A considerable amount of time, thought and effort has gone into the preparation of this league so that there is no repeat of last time . .

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I hope they don't drop out (well, I do because I didn't read about this until it was too late)

Seriously, good luck to all and maybe someone can give me a nudge when you do the next one.

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The league is still in a learning process . . By the time the third one comes around we'll have ironed out any remaining issues and have several more tables to use so the league will be bigger, better and have room for you Harry my dear x

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Another major advantage of having the two divisons is that with less players in each respective Division, the period of the league will be at least a month less. The assumption should be that if it lasts less time, the committment level is less, and drop outs should be minimal.

In addition players like Harry and others who missed out this time will not have to wait to long to enter the next one.

With regard to Divisonal status, it will over ther several leagues end up where everyone is where they deserve to be. Nonetheless on this occasion the organisers have decided that the best 10 players are in the top Division and whether people agree or not, those decsions have been taken without any bias whatsoever.

Its a good sign really when a player in Mark Miller would prefer to play in the higher league when his chances of winning money arew limited. It at least shows that his priority is to play better players and improve and its not about the dough.

This is what it should be about for the players in Div2, and I hope everyone has the same attitude.

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i always thought you were a bit of a hustler harry...!!!

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spurs will 4ever be in the gooners shadow

now back 2 the pool

dont underestimate the thriller mark miller

i will stick by my opinion

miller is better then wates
but
thats not the reason i think he should be in div 1

reason he should be in div 1 is quite simple

its phils 1st time in the singles league
and
by any leagues standards......u have 2 work ur way up.....doesnt matter if u think phil is better then mark

like i said b4.....miller won the plate.....hes not a mug

let me ask the croydon committee members on this site a question?

pick the best seven players from the croydon league.....register them as a new team.....bet they dont start in div 1

coz they gotta work there way up

am i right ?
:eek2:

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I bet you they don't start in the bottom . . The exact thing happened with the Patriots in the 2007 Summer season . . They registered as a new team but were put into Division One because, and I quote "The league doesn't need another Hot Shots scenario"

The same situation will occur regardless of whether it is Phil or Mark in Division Two. The rules also state that Divisional Status is at the discretion of the organisers. I am sure that if someone felt strongly about it they would withdraw themselves from the competition but seeing as that hasn't happened yet and the fact that we have ample replacements I can't see there being a problem . .

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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't start in the bottom Division, as it would be an insult and a worthless exercise for all other teams in that Division.

I maybe be wrong (and usually am) but I would have thought that they would be placed where Mr Halsey and the Committee saw appropriate and available. Did The Oakfield Patriots start in the bottom division?

Bottom line is that if people don't agree with where they are placed in the Singles League, then they haven't paid yet and can be replaced, I suppose. It's an advantage to all players involved in this years Singles League that they can see where they've been placed and i'm sure if anyone had a real valid grievance with where they'd been placed, they could appeal to the Committee and if that appeal were over-ruled, they could withdraw without having paid anything yet.

As I said before, I can't see that there is any difference between Phil Wates ad Mark Miller but if I had to put money on either one in a match, I'd back Phil as he doesn't seem to let things get to him on the table and has more experience.

Everyone will have their different opinions and reasons on this and although people will say i'm biased because Danny is on the Committee, I don't think they've got it far wrong.

People who know me and have been witness to Danny & I discussing anything we have different views on will know that if I think he's wrong, I'll make damn sure he knows about it and vice versa . . :lol:

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And it seems while I was creating my drawn out speech, the fucker beat me to it. That's just rude.:spank:

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I?ve been placed in division two and I have no arguments against that. Quite frankly I don?t care if I play Phil or Mark. If Mark is division one quality then he?ll get promoted. If Phil belongs in Division two then relegation is inevitable.

I would have preferred to face more faces I?ve played the first time around to see my own development within the game. Now the only matches I have to compare previous performances with are against Miller and Saxton. So for that reason and reason alone I?d rather Mark stayed put.

It is kind of disrespectful assuming Mark or Phil would win Division two easily when blind folded and hands tied behind their backs. If Mark does triumph he?d have to earn it!

Basically, looking at the other players in our division, I fear no one. And (you heard it here first), I feel confident enough to gain promotion easily. So my obvious goal is to aim for first. I?m not putting my opponents down it?s just my turn to shine. I won?t be far from par!

Peace out,
Charles Burrows.

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how about sticking me in div 1 and move miller up making it 12 players and pay down to 5th with extra cash and everybodys happy.

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Neo, the league has been advrtised as having 10 players and has been filled by 10 players and thats how it will remain.

The league was such a debacle last time we are all starting from scratch and would prefer to start with a solid format and work from there. Any changes in the format ie more divisions and/or more players will be considered at the end of this season.

Dont worry you may still be in. Players that dont pay their ?40 by the end of the month will be removed from the league. Simple.

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Anyone know the pecking order for the standbys?

:saxton:

Pecking....get it? :laugh:

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We've had several people say they would like to go in it but having heard that it's full have left it at that . . Martin Duncan is on the reserve list at present so names would be added thereafter . .

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Put me down please.

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Have you been watching 'Animal Hospital' again, H?

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I guess that's better than what Lils says when I ask to be put down!

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I agree but that was said as a tongue-in-cheek comment . . However, the fact remains that be it Phil or Mark, they would start as strong favourite for the title . .

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I thought the list was a confirmed version of who has been put where?

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That list is subject to paid entries . .

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Ahh . . . Got ya! Thanks for that.

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Everything listed so far is subject to paid entries including Divisional Status . . This is why the organisers are being so cut-throat on monies being paid . . If the ?40 entry fee isn't paid by 29th February 2008 then they will be replaced without warning . . It's that simple . .

Monies can be paid to the following:

Sean Kelly
Andy Esgrove
Paul Wildman
Danny Evans
Hannah Edwards

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And should anyone wish to pay their table fees up front I am sure that the Treasurer, Sean Kelly would be more than happy to assist.

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Oh and by the way, we want to use email a lot more this year to make sure the players are well notified of all things that are going on.

For the people that use this site can they PM or contact me at paul.wildman@bromley.gov.uk to give their work email or at least an address that they use regularly.

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Rod Altes
Leon Pope
Micky Samuels
Wayne Pope
Mark Miller
Dan Mason
Mark Stallard
Jon Prothero
Paul Whooley

Half way there still need email or at least mobile contact details for you guys. Thanks to all that have confirmed so quickly. A good sign for the league I would think.

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was this just advirtised on here or was people contacted by phone and other means?
i did not know about this till yeasterday and now i can even go in it now:?:

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Ahem......Someone, please?

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As I understand it over half the playrs were automatially included in the league due to plying in it last year, and by indicating that they wanted to continue.

The rest of the people contacted Danny via here or phone following reading this thread.

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The following people played in the last Croydon Singles League . .

Rod Altes
Leon Pope
Danny Evans
Hugh Telford
Micky Samuels
Sean Kelly
Chris Knock
Mark Miller
Charles Burrows
Paul Saxton

The following people registered an interest during the last Croydon Singles League and asked to be included in the next one . .

Wayne Pope
Kyle Pickett
Dan Mason
Mark Stallard
Donna Evans

The following people asked to be involved as a result of seeing details of the new Croydon Singles League II on this website via the thread and article . .

Jon Prothero
Mick Huggins
Paul Whooley
Phil Wates
Paul da Silveira


The moral of that story is to check the website regularly as you're less likely to miss out on thigs that way . . The five above found out about it by visiting the site at the right time . .

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Can I play for the London Ladies?

No? But why?

I didn't know the trials were held in January until yesterday and now I can't even go in it now?


You :zzz: you :cry:

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Michael Samuel paid me ?40 tonight.

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i can sort it for you if you really want to :-)


see now how hard was that?

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:lol:

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You should have your own show . . .


Quim'll Fix It. ;)

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Mick Huggins has paid me his entrance fee. Says he is gonna rip up Div 2. :-)

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Not quite what I said Shaggy but I do fancy my chances otherwise I wouldn't have entered.

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Huggins, you're poop.

If it'd been your team-mate Brian Clarke entering, then there would be a massive favourite.

He'd win Div 2 by a mile. Well, a (webbed) foot at least . . .

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You are all poop, thats why you are in Division 2. :lol:

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If that's the case, we'll look forward to your arrival next season!

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Probably.

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Don't feel down Shaggy - I'm have no doubt you'll win the plate comp in Week 13 . .

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Dont mock my plate record. I am the new 'Crockery' Champ.

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Your plate record is examplary and I would never mock that.

I strongly believe that if you could convince your brain that any main event WAS the plate, you'd win it.

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Update - 10 out of the 20 entries have paid their entry fees as of last night . .

Entry fees can be paid to the following people by 29/02/08 to secure their place in the Singles League:

Sean Kelly
Paul Wildman
Andy Esgrove
Danny Evans
Hannah Edwards (or another member of Rileys Purley Way Staff by prior arrangement)

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im a bit confused.how come i asked tobe in this and was told i cant and then others have have gone in it?

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Could it not be that there were already 3 reserves when you announced you were interested?????

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Bless him :lol:

Would you like to be added to the list of reserves Ian?

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The missus will be giving Hannah ?40 of my hard-earned today.

See you in a few Thursdays.

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Thanks Martin . .

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Just one left... Two days to go.

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update above.

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I'm sure Shaggy and the rest of the CSL organisers agree that it's been a pleasure to have such committed people on board . . We've received 19 out of the 20 payments with over a week left until the start . . It all bodes well for a quality season and the foundations for a bigger and yet better CSL III later in the year . .