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Posted by Shaggy on 11-10-2007 15:57

In my opinion which I am aware you dont care much for, there is a significant difference between urging your own teams ball to cover a bag, than cheering an opponent in off or to snooker themselves or wishing them bad luck. It was 10 all at the end of the day. Perhaps we should have said please dont cover the bag, and lose the cup final. At least you may have hung around to shake peoples hand.

Posted by Spud on 11-10-2007 16:35

Flukes Schmukes. . . . It's pool, and luck plays a massive part. You're always going to cheer a fluke when it happens in your favour, every team does.
The big Taboo is cheering your opponents bad luck, such as an in-off. That's a no no.
Strange pockets on the tables last night, nearly every rail shot jawwed, no matter how sweet they were hit. Swung a few results for sure, but overall think it evened itself out.
Nerves were rife in both camps, but it was still good quality pool, only two or three fudge fests, out of 21 frames, thats not bad.

The Oakfield were fantastic in defeat, a fine team who will be back on this stage sooner rather than later. Hats off, I really do have a lot of time for these guys.

Pawleyne MOTM was Darren Ball. 3 from 3, taking massive scalps along the way, and winning the decider under intense pressure.
Every player done thier bit though, and I'm immensely proud of the team this morning.

I'm delighted for everyone associated with the Pawleyne, we'll celebrate long and hard over this one.
Realistically, the division 1 title, and the league cup are never going to be won by anyone other than the top 2 or 3 teams.
So it's the KO cup which remains the holy grail for teams beyond that, and at the 4th time of asking, and after much heart break, we finally crept over the line in a final. . . .

I am the fella who recently got run over by a train. . . .

I'm chuffed to bits!!

Posted by ThePower on 11-10-2007 17:06

Sounds like another nailbiter of a final...

Yesterday afternoon I was speaking with Mr Evans, and I felt on paper the Oakfield are stronger but it could come down to individual performances from the least known players. By the sounds of it, Darren Ball delivered for the Pawleyne.

I don't think anyone will begrudge the Pawleyne their first major title as they are good bunch of fella's who have been around for donkeys years and I am delighted they have finally broken the duck and won it. :clap:

Edited by ThePower on 11-10-2007 17:09

Posted by Shaggy on 11-10-2007 18:21

#10

I agree with the Power 100% on this one. I also felt that the Patriots were pretty strong favourites going into the final. They had a great end to last season, seem a really happy unit, and man for man top to bottom are marginally better.

A number of frames were decided by things that were out of the players hands though. I can count at least 6 occasions when balls stayed in the corner bags, when for the life of me I thought they were in. This was probably equal throughout both teams, however the Patriots had two massive roll outs for Paul Richards and Danny and untimately they cost two frames. I thought both teams played quite well, but something is going a bit wayward when in 21 frames there was not one first visit clearance. On small things like this are Cup Finals decided.

Irrespective of this I can honestly say that the likes of Darren, Micky, Sean, Clements etc who have for the best part of two decades stayed loyal to their local pub a winners trophy (at last) is the least they deserve.

Edited by Shaggy on 11-10-2007 18:25

Posted by Golden on 11-10-2007 23:16

#14

Shaggy wrote:A number of frames were decided by things that were out of the players hands though. I can count at least 6 occasions when balls stayed in the corner bags, when for the life of me I thought they were in. This was probably equal throughout both teams, however the Patriots had two massive roll outs for Paul Richards and Danny and untimately they cost two frames. I thought both teams played quite well, but something is going a bit wayward when in 21 frames there was not one first visit clearance. On small things like this are Cup Finals decided.

The tables were a disgrace full stop

Posted by Farley on 12-10-2007 06:01

#16

Sass thought the table on the left was playing " pretty good " on mon night...
Rod Altes and Scott Harkness thought the one on the right was playing "fine " on monday night...
No complaints from any of the double / single semi finals...
No complaints on K.O.Cup semi final night...
Guess i am at a loss to explain why on wed night " The tables where a disgrase full stop..
Unless its just a matter of opinion..

Posted by Lils on 12-10-2007 07:04

#17

What a ridiculous comment!! 'unless it's just a matter of opinion' . . .

It was Sass's opinion that the table on the left was 'pretty good'.
It is allegedly Rod and Scotts opinion that the table on the right was 'fine', though I've heard different. Are we seeing a pattern yet?

But I think you'll find that there were MANY complaints on Wednesday night about the tables from both teams. I doubt anyone bothered saying anything considering they're not likely to have to play in a final at that venue again anytime soon, so I doubt there was really much point.

Posted by Farley on 12-10-2007 08:23

#20

Lils wrote:
:zzz:

You find out after a while how people don't have the balls to say things to your face, so it's probably just another case of that.

As always i am sure you are right...
Sad there is not more people like you...
honest...
genuine...
say what you think to peoples face...
thank you for being there to advise me..

Posted by ThePower on 12-10-2007 15:43

#23

Having played on the table to the left on Tuesday night, the table was playing very fast although a few of the boys did comment it was rolling out slightly on the right hand rail. I broke and dished on Tuesday so in 'my opinon' there was jack all wrong with the left one! :bounce:

What I can't understand is, if there were serious concerns about the tables on final night from some of the players, why was it not raised at the time? It don't take much to level them.

Posted by Burn on 12-10-2007 16:13

#24

Because pool players only how how to p!ss and whinge, actually doing something to help themselves is asking too much.

Don't you know nuffink!

Besides which, after being roundly f*cked up the ar$e by Croydon players near and far, Farley is still expected to pull out all of the stops on behalf of players visiting from their 'new' preferred venues. I'm surprised he didn't get new tables in for the finals, you're surely all worth it.

:movingon:

Or something :elol:

Edited by Burn on 12-10-2007 16:28

Posted by Golden on 12-10-2007 16:29

#25

Ok perhaps 'a disgrace' is a little extreme but they certainly weren't up to the standard of a cup final . .

Some feedback for you Farley:

There appears to be a lip on the edge of several pockets which caused shots played perfectly to stay up . . This happened in at least 4 frames . . I would hazard a guess that this is because there is excess glue used to stick the cloth down . .

The table on the right as you walk in is rolling off. A lot.

Posted by andye on 12-10-2007 16:35

#27

if your in the middle of a frame and a ball rolls off what can you do? you can't stop the frame and level the table!!! so we moan... after the frame it's history so little point in trying to turn back the clock!
i, like many others don't want to go up to the owner and say 'your table is pony' cos lets face it it's not what they want to hear.
for any matches in the final stages tables should be brushed ironed and true... this doesn't take long, just requires a bit of elbow grease!!!

Posted by Golden on 12-10-2007 16:38

#29

ThePower wrote:
What I can't understand is, if there were serious concerns about the tables on final night from some of the players, why was it not raised at the time? It don't take much to level them.

You're obviously never leveled a table before have you?

When you play at the top level you notice things like slight roll offs and dead cushions :bite:

Posted by Burn on 12-10-2007 16:41

#31

Also, I feel I should elaborate on my rant a bit, because it looks like I'm sh!t-stirring and I'm honestly not.

Also bear in mind I have been out of Croydon for well over a year, so may not have all of the facts at hand, so humblest apologies if any of what I say is incorrect.

What I've observed...

Take a look round the Farley. Banners. Pictures. Framed CDPL Interleague Shirts. Big old scoreboard. Names of players and teams up on plaques.

All paid for out of Farleys pocket I assume.

I saw the increasing gripes about having to pay for practise before games, but as I understand it that was policy dictated to Dave by the brewery and there was little he could do about it.

This isn't a club, with a salaried Manager in place, it's a pub, where Dave earns his own keep, or gets shipped out.

From what I saw, he was as supportive as he was allowed to be, and then some.

Yet was deserted by players who had their own best interests at heart.

Bottom line: decisions made by players have a direct impact on Daves pocket to a degree that just isn't true of a club like Rileys.

And he is owe CDPL something?

His treatment wasn't far short of disgusting.

What price loyalty in Croydon? A few free frames of pool apparently.

End.

As said, If I've got any of this wrong, and there were other factors that I don't know about, then I'll unreservedly retract any and all of the above that is inaccurate or not a fair protrayal of events.

But it's seems to be a fair summary of what I saw from afar.

There, I've said it.

Edited by Burn on 12-10-2007 16:46

Posted by Golden on 12-10-2007 16:54

#32

Banners and plaques don't make a venue great . . I couldn't care if there is no wall paper or seats as long as the tables are level . . Looking at the list of the players that won the treble in 2005/2006 (just thought I would get that in) didn't stop my shot up the line rolling off several feet . .

The biggest source of feedback in pool isn't from a spirit level, a brewery or a table operator . . It's from the players themselves . . If these comments are taken in the constructive manner they are intended then there is no loser here . .

Posted by Burn on 12-10-2007 16:58

#33

That's fair comment, but you also know there is an element of truth in what I'm saying.

Pool players are generally selfish, and self-serving.

A pound to a penny that 'some' of the players that get the most benefit out of Hannahs obvious hard work at Rileys are also amongst those that put the least money over the bar.

It's a two-way street, a partnership of sorts. And pool players often don't keep up their side of the deal.

First and foremost it's a business, not a charity.

As much as I love the game of pool, if I won the lottery, would I run a pool club? Would I f*ck. It's all take take take.

Danny, you have first hand experience of how hard work on players behalf is often taken for granted.

As have those that ran the Singles League and seemingly got nothing in return but headache and b!tching.

Whatever you do, it's never enough for some, so you might as well do f*ck all.

Edited by Burn on 12-10-2007 17:07

Posted by Brooker on 12-10-2007 18:18

#37

Just for the record. I played my singles Semi on the table on the right as you walk in. After the game Clive & i tried to pot balls down all the rails by planting 3 balls on the cushions, out of 8 possible rail shots, only 4 (i think) dropped. Don't really know whats up with the table, but when you hit a ball plum down the cushion & it doesn't drop, that needs to be sorted.

By the way, this had nothing to do with me getting smashed 3-1, i only checked the cushions afterwards because of a shot Ian missed that i thought should have dropped.

Posted by ThePower on 12-10-2007 19:03

#39

Burn wrote:
I'm honestly not stirring, and my commentary isn't about the Farley in isolation, it's about the selfishness of 'some' pool players in general.

For the sake of clarity, Burn uses the word 'some' but really means The Eagles.

Personally, if I was Farley I would take down all their memorabillia, stick it in a bin and burn it. :sprint:

Posted by Shaggy on 12-10-2007 19:17

#42

But then it would be back to before when nodody ever won anything when they played there.

The fact of the matter is that our team moved because all but myself live miles away from Thornton Heath, and the team chose to have a venue that fitted the majority.

In all honesty the tables didnt play great the other night, but certainly no worse than some of the finals held at Frames in the past.

Posted by Burn on 12-10-2007 19:17

#43

If I'd meant the Eagles, I'd have said the Eagles. As far as calling an egg an egg is concerend, I'm about as shy as you Alex ;)

You can put the cap on whatever head it fits.

I see there has already been an icon created in honour of this thread.... :chicken:

I didn't realise Eagles were fat and flightless :winkgrin:

Posted by Shaggy on 12-10-2007 19:20

#44

ThePower wrote:

Burn wrote:
I'm honestly not stirring, and my commentary isn't about the Farley in isolation, it's about the selfishness of 'some' pool players in general.

For the sake of clarity, Burn uses the word 'some' but really means The Eagles.

Personally, if I was Farley I would take down all their memorabillia, stick it in a bin and burn it. :sprint:

We didnt ask for it to be put up. Nice touch I grant you but I thought it was more for the pub and Dave to signify the pubs success than anything else.

And as for pissing on it Power, you'd probably miss.

Posted by Burn on 12-10-2007 19:21

#45

...and to be fair my feelings on this matter pre-date the Eagles move, and goes back to the Interleague team moving.

All of the other Surrey Interleague teams thought the Farley was THE venue in terms of atmosphere on an Interleague night.

Anyways, f*ck it, none of my business, just that I've seen Farley getting a fair few shoeings recently, and it all seemed a bit uncalled for.

I doubt he gives a f*ck himself, the fella has survived a cancer scare, this is all trivial sh!te in comparison.

There but for the grace of God and all that.

Edited by Burn on 12-10-2007 19:23

Posted by ThePower on 12-10-2007 20:22

#46

We didnt ask for it to be put up. Nice touch I grant you but I thought it was more for the pub and Dave to signify the pubs success than anything else.

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Summed it up very nicely Shaggy. This exactly why the Eagles are known as the ''Ego's''. Head up their own arses.

Posted by Shaggy on 12-10-2007 21:01

#47

ThePower wrote:

We didnt ask for it to be put up. Nice touch I grant you but I thought it was more for the pub and Dave to signify the pubs success than anything else.

Summed it up very nicely Shaggy. This exactly why the Eagles are known as the ''Ego's''. Head up their own arses.[/quote]

Its only you and Cliff that call us that. Everyone else loves us.

Posted by buntycollocks on 12-10-2007 22:39

#48

and im right :bounce:

anyways
we have all moaned about a venue and there tables b4.....me included.....believe or not :roll:
but
this final was played over TWENTY ONE frames
surely
after the 1st 7 frames
they couldve tryed to level the tables or use the other 1 ?

sour grapes spring to mind or does it sound more like a jacko excuse.....mmmmm let me think about that 1 :lol:

Posted by Golden on 12-10-2007 23:34

#49

Yeah because that's the thing you do Cliff . . Stop a FINAL midway through to level the tables, replace the cushions and iron the pockets several times . . You see that all the time Cliff :roll:

We lost because we were rubbish . It just didn't help that the table prevented what little decent pool there was . .