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The draw for each End-of-Season Divisional Singles KO have been completed and can now be found HERE

Rileys Purley Way

12:00pm Registration - 12:30pm Start

Division One - 12th April 2008
Division Two - 19th April 2008
Division Three - 26th April 2008
Division Four - 3rd May 2008
Division Five - 10th May 2008

All matches will be played over the Best of 9 Frames

Please Note - This competition is NOT mandatory and no fines or penalties will be imposed for non-attendance.

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I won't be able to make it, busy day racing at Kempton

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I've just emailed Mark Halsey as there's no point doing it in that case . .

. . :nerner:

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What's the attendance looking like for this? Are the lower leagues doing their bit?

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Haven't got a clue . . It has been circulated on the website and via the weekly mailshot so I guess it is dependant on the secretaries doing their bit and informing their players . .

It would be a shame for there to be poor turnouts considering it's free to enter and forms a formal part of the CDPL calendar now . . Not only that but this is the ideal competition for all those who cry out to play people of their own standard . .

These competitions can only suceed if people support in numbers so we shall see . .

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I was under the impression that we had to fill in a form to enter this? Given that our names are now in a draw do we still have to do that?

Also why draw it before you know who has entered? You potentially could have 2 finalists with one having played several matches and the other having received walkovers all the way to the final.

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whilst it hasnt been communicated i beleive instead of asking us to submit forms all players have now been entered. Our team will all be there, the question is how many others will be as you are quite right Sass.....it could prove to be slightly flawed....

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Anyway you have a bye. I demand a re-draw on the day! :nerner:

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Actually the more I think about this the more I can see it isn't going to be fair to everyone. You can get a situation like the plate was, where 2 people will play each other to get a bye in the next round as people don't show up.

I think the way to do this is draw it on the day when you know who's there and space any byes evenly.

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Yeah it does seem like it could end up messy. I would be surprised if we got more than a 50% turn out for our division.

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As far as I know, the reason it has gone this way is because of the timescale involved . . It needed to be rushed through as it only came into inception at the recent AGM and it was decided that instead of taking entries this time round, everyone would be entered and then no-one misses out as such . .

. . this is it's first season and in a way, it's trial run so it will all be noted and built upon for the next time round . .

Deutch will be able to confirm the details . .

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I understand all that but why does that mean the draw has to be done in advance?

It's a shame really as I was looking forward to this and I can see whoever is running this finding the whole experience rather stressfull.

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We were under the impression we had to fill out the form, as only 3 members of our team are going to be there, the others can't make it. Two of the players on the list, Andy Starkey & Danny Wordley both don't play anymore.

So these games will be BYE's for all players vs. flying machine...

33 HELPS.Paul Flying Machine v 96 SNYMAN.Chris Coach & Horses

16 GOULBOURNE.Vennie London Slates Snooker v 113 GORMAN.Neil Flying Machine

24 PICKFORD.Frank The Addicts v 105 BURRELL.Paul Flying Machine

52 REYNOLDS.Pat Flying Machine v 77 ATTWOOD.Stuart Flying Machine

51 OWUSU.George London Slates Snooker v 78 STOWELL.Chris Flying Machine

11 BROWN.Peter Pawleyne Arms v 118 STARKEY.Andy Flying Machine

10 McCARTHY.Jim Pawleyne Arms v 119 WORDLEY.Danny Flying Machine

31 CLARKSON.Darren British Legion v 98 SMALL.Jason Flying Machine

Only Me, Jim & Mark are going to be attending. Maybe we are the only team with a couple of people playing so the draw won't be a major problem, but isn't it worth finding out for each team roughly how many people are going to attend? If it is that low, then surley a re-draw on the day would be better?

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I would almost be certain George Owusu wont turn up, so that is probably an empty fixture.

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My understanding was that we had to submit a form with the players names on it who wanted to enter.

I asked my team last Monday who wanted to play in this and the answer at the time was nil.

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Suggestion for tidying things up on the day....given that for all comps there will be no shows, for whatever reason....when sign-in deadline has passed, start at top of draw and play a few games that are available....than take the right hand side of the pairings, and work from the bottom up using them to fill the spaces on the left hand side....not a perfect solution, but it would get games on early, and reduce the number of silly byes in later rounds....

Feel free to improve upon the idea....

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The way I see it, looking at the draw, it has been seeded by players league position at the time of the draw. I was sent a registration sheet to enter the players who wanted to play only to find everyone had been entered. So yes, someone could end up with a Bye to the final, or close to it.:juggle:

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The way i see it. To be fare to all the players who turn out to there div.
singles is to have a open draw on the day. Allocate each player a number when they sign-in. Add that number to the draw-bag. put the number of byes needed to make a 1st round line-up in a separate bag make the draw at 12o/clock in front of all the players present .
you start the draw with the first bye then a player then a bye and so on until all the byes have gone and continue with the players only to finish the draw for the 1st round .

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Have to agree with u odd ball
The draw should be made on the day
there r 3 of us going from the Royal Oak
I reckon div 3 will have 30 percent of people turning up just an estimation thats all
some players cant even be bothered to turn up on tuesdays
I think the Loyalists will have a few players and the imperials and the warriors and the forum im not sure about the rest

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The timescale involved between the last AGM and when these competitions are to be played meant that there wasn't much time to get entry forms out and back in again, hence why the decision was made to put everyone into the draw and not miss anyone out . .

As with all competitions, improvements can only be made once a need for improvement becomes apparent . . We'll see how these go over the next 5 weeks and make the necessary adjustments for future events of this nature . .

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I suspect all these comps this year will be rubbish.... Nonetheless next year and future events will be great, because the idea is very good. Live with the problems this year and it will turn out nice again.

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Due to the time scale involved in getting these comps off the ground for this season I opted to scrap the entry form procedure and enter everybody. I appreciate all comments previously made but my aim was to get the comps talked about and give everyone a window to enter right up until registration time on the day. It might not be an ideal situation but I do believe that it will attract further entries. It is based upon the ranking comps that will follow the div singles through may & june. The one good thing is that the comps will run this year instead of being initiated next season. A possibility for next season is using the Singles, Doubles & Team KO entry forms for confirmation of entries.

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I don't think you need prior confirmation from players - just give the organiser a list of eligible players so that they can check them off and draw it on the day.

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I have no problem with that and seeing that a list of eligible players for all divisions has already been circulated I also do not have a problem with your idea being adopted from today. You will need to get feedback from the players who turn up today.

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I was actually thinking more of for the future rather than this time round but I'll probably pop in later.

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Just spotted this, apologies I will be unable to attend.

I had Saxton as well. Now I know why he has been a bit quiet recently.

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Who's running this? If anyone reads this before going down (Ooer), could they let the organiser know i am running late, but will be there about 12:45

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any news?

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Guess not! Just can't get the staff ;)

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Who won the divisonal ko in div one
any news

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Daniel Evans obe bt Hugh (tom) Jackman 5-0 in 1st semi
Andy I didn't miss the table rolled Esgrove bt Wayne Pope 5-2

Andy bt Danny in the final

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Well done andy unlucky danny
What was the turn out like ?
thanks for that nuttmeg

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We had 26 turn up yesterday . . Wasn't as many as we hpoed but still made for a good day of pool with some poker thrown in for good measure . .

Wiggy was a worth winner of the inaugural event to the extent where the 5-2 scoreline flattered me somewhat . .

It became immediately apparent that the pre-draw probably won't work in the future but we made the most of what we had and it bodes well for future events . .

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There is 11 teams in div one with say 12 in a squad
thats makes 131
and 26 turned up thats not good
it will be interesting how many players div 3 gets
this is only an estimation

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Did you redraw it or go with the byes?

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26 turnout is poor no matter how you try and dress it up. Timing of event was all wrong, pre-drawn event a totally ridiculous idea. This is an event which should be played at the end of the season, and maybe even over one or two week days?

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26.... I wonder how many 1st Div players would turn up if the lower divisions were involved. Or am I being a bit cynical. I would be surprised if the lower divisions have a worse turn up. But we will see.:bite:

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think in future draw has to be done on the day so everyone knows who is turning up especially as its a free event there is no need for anyone to stump money up front to confirm there entry. dont think lower division players not being there would have any effect whats so ever! there seems to be a vision from lower divisions that all division 1 players ever do is play pool practice competitons ect, probably only a small percentage do but in fact for most of us its a case of pick your cue up for tues and then it goes away again until the following week! thats why probably a majority of players did not turn up on saturday because of more important things on or simply to do what they normally enjoy doing at a weekend.:zzz: .

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Its the first year, and was bound to have issues. I think the lower division ones will be better supported, and think in future this will be a very worthwhile event. I would have no hesitation in playing in this next year.

There is no money in it so that may put some off, but frankly the whole league set up has never been about money, and I personally think the league is better for it.

Good luck to the rest of the divisions. Even with low numbers it was a good day.

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I hope it's better supported but I have a feeling it won't be.

I'm going to be running a qualifier on the same day as the Div 5 one which will hopefully mean it's a bit busier.

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I think people seem to be missing the point somewhat . . This event was a competition in addition to an already successful Singles KO and therefore it was never going to attract the same numbers, especially considering it's on a weekend . .

As Shaggy said, it was still a good day of pool with a few games of poker thrown in for good measure . . Those who didn't attend were under no obligation so that's entirely up to them and those who did attend enjoyed their day . . As with all competitions, it's success is judged upon it's quality rather than the number of people that enter so be it 26 or 126 it makes no odds as to it's success . .

If the remaining four competitions also attract 26 people then that's 130 of the league's members making the effort which in't a bad shout IMO

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I don't think I'm missing a point. If you feel that a turnout of 26 is a success then great but sorry I'm not about to agree with you.

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Sorry everyone . . It would appear I have mislead you all. Sass has said it wasn't a success so therefore it wasn't . . My apologies . .

Don't take it personally whatever you do :roll:

As I have said above, everyone has different opinions as to what defines success . .

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26 was about what I would have expected. I only knew about it through the website so I suspect a lot of people didn't even know it took place. It should grow in future years when it is on the calendar from the start of the season.

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I would suspect that when Presentation time comes around, and an additional 10 (I presume) trophies are handing out there may be more interest in future years.

There wasn't more runners because people didnt know about it. Whether that be because the Secretaries didnt pass it on, who knows. In any event its the first weekend so difficult to judge.

The fact remains that if half of the players than win or are runners up, are not alreadfy being represented at the Presentation Evening with there team, and additonal numbers however they are gained is beneficial.

Div 1 is probably tougher to get entries in, because unfortunately with comps going on left right and centre, some people choose to play in these events rather than playing for free. I however would prioritise a Croydon Event other almost any other comp going on.

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Think 26 is a pretty decent turn out considering its a single division comp. Expect around the same number for the other divisional comps. When you add up the total numbers over the 5 comps im sure it will show that this will be well supported and that individual participation will be on a par with or outnumber other competitions at Suzy's or The Farley. As has been said people have different priorites and many in the league will only play on a Monday or Tuesday and will give weekends a miss. Anyway, its normally the same faces give or take a few from across the divisions that take part in the regular weekend competitions when there are 32 or 64 runners or whatever, and they have all to my knowledge been a success. So 26 players getting involved for the Div 1 comp is pretty good IMO.

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Well I enjoyed it. To me it is more well needed practise!!!

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Ok I stand corrected. 26 runners out of around 150 potential entrants is a success.

Well done.

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Sorry that's come over as harsh. I just think that it's been let down by the lack of support.

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It should be seen as a stepping stone in my opinion not a success or failure.... 300 or how many people go in the singles.... I would be suprised if that was the case when it started.

If lower division secrataires see this I would encourage them to get as many of their players possible to it, because you get a lot of pool for absolutely no cost.

It would be nice to aim to get 64+ runners, and if this is this year with the lower divisions, next year or the year after so be it.

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I agree . . It was let down massively and there were teams in Division One who didn't have a solitary representative there on Saturday . .

Even Wayne Pope bothered and that's saying something!!

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There were lots of positives though!!

I mean a bloodhound (me) got to the quarter finals!!! Ok so I had a bye all the way through but who cares about the details??:one:

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I've just been informed by Mark Halsey that the Pre-Draw has been scrapped and the remaining events will be drawn on the day :clapping:

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I totally agree with the opinions against the pre-draw,although I fully understand the misguided motives. I popped in to Suzy's on Saturday and it was a lot quieter than I had anticipated. Of course,the fact that there were no Farley Eden players present, contributed to the almost church-like atmosphere !! Next Saturday I think that the 2nd division players should be given until 12.30 to turn up. At that time the draw should be done,including only those present at that time. I would be happy to assist in organising the draw if required !!

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No cost?? How comes Danny charged me ?25.00?

He didn't even do a dance for me :(

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Sarah, there has to be a beginning somewhere and so I can anticipate these comps being discussed in full at the AGM in September. If there is a plus then that lays in these comps being played this season and all cups awarded (Winners only at this moment in time) will be awarded at the Presentation do in July.

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Can anybody let me know who is running the comp on Saturday ??

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I certainly think Division 3 will have a far higher turnout.....we could be looking at 6 or 7 from the Seamen, with probably another 2 or 3 from the Ship....I'd be very surprised if the total turnout was under 40....the predraw suggested 125 players, so that would be one-third or better....

Here's hoping!!!

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im sure there wil be quite a few from Div 2 there this Saturday. theres about 3/4 from the flying machine coming, no doubt pond q's & warbank will have a good show of people. if the legion and the addicts rememeber its this weekend im sure they'll have a few as well.

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I will be

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I can't see too many from the Legion turning up on Saturday.They struggle to get a full team on a Tuesday. Besides that,there's sniper training at the Territorial Army in Croydon which starts at the same time. As most of them are on standby,I think that TA attendance would be compulsory. :lol: :lol:

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If you want players there, you'll get them no problem but the organisation, timing and advertising of the event fell short. I believe the event has a future and we should be able to get 64 runners from Div 1, but only if its worked out and not just stuck under our noses.

26 players from the 1st division, 85% no doubt of which were the regular faces at tournaments. Its an appalling turn out for a Div 1 event, its barely 25% of the 1st division population.

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It was no secret that the timing wasn't ideal . . If anything it was a good indication of what needs to be done to make future events more successful . .

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I think only Steve Deegan from the Legion will be going to the 2nd div matches & possibly Clive Taylor.

I have other commitments, Saturday/Sunday is no good for me as i have Kids & my wife works at the weekend.

Otherwise i like the idea, especially best of 9 frame matches, its not often we get to play singles over that distance in the league.

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Alex, I appreciate that these comps were put together at short notice but considering I had no knowledge until approached by a National Manager from Rileys just previous to our Half-Season meeting with his idea's ... I did not exactly have a lot of time to get any form of feedback from the membership. I duly reported the comps at the meeting and to be honest with you mate its a fete in its own to have these comps being contested this season. The plus factor that I am getting out of this is that it is being talked about in a constructive manner and that can only be a benefit as to when it is discussed at the Winter AGM in September.