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| RasFas |
Posted on 01-02-2008 16:51
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Lils wrote:I've taken calls of 'freeball' when it should have been 'foul snooker' by telling the person they should really say foul snooker, so to try and remember as some people might pick up on it, but let it go anyway.
You did the right thing! This is from the referees guidance:
23. Interpreting a players call
Some calls a player makes are not strictly correct, but it should be obvious to a Referee when taking the situation into account what the player means. |
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| Burn |
Posted on 01-02-2008 16:59
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Everyone knows what the opponent means, it's just that some people are so desperate for a 1 next to their name that they'll pretend not to understand.
The most valuable thing about this thread... it perfectly demonstrates those who have integrity, and those who don't.
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| Sass |
Posted on 01-02-2008 17:16
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I agree with that to a point but surely when the player doesn't know what type of snooker that's not the refs problem! I've been asked "Now what can I do?" - learning the rules would be a good start!!! |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 01-02-2008 18:34
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I think we have strayed from the original point in examples given. I'm not suggesting Charity, just that new players are welcomed to the league and sportsmanship prevails over small minded bureaucracy.
Sass/Golden/Neo: You are in a game and your opponent is in a foul snooker. They correctly call it and both refs agree. The player opts for a free ball and gestures with a wave of his cue which ball he wants to hit. He pots it and the ref calls two for not being specific enough in terms of nominating the free ball. Now, you and every single person in the pub knew which ball he was hitting and what he was doing. He was going to win the frame at that visit if he is allowed to carry on. Do you take two or over-rule the ref and let him continue with his first visit?
Edited by Coneycueist on 01-02-2008 18:36
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| Lils |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:28
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In that situation, the Referee should be asking after the wave of his cue in a particular area to specify exactly which ball the player meant by that gesture for his/her OWN clarification. For a Ref to then call two visits when it was their mistake would be bad . .
And to clarify further, the Referees call is final. If you don't agree but the Ref won't change their mind, the only option you have is to foul back.
Wiggys belt moved a ball on tuesday as he was about to roll in his last ball and the black. Not really his fault . . A bit unfair . .
But the opponent ran to the table and cleared with two. As I would have.
Neither that scenario or the original problem which was posted on here were the fault of the player. They would both come down to the competence of the Referee.
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:33
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So what would you do Lils if that situation arose? Educate the ref or take two?
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| Golden |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:35
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Coneycueist wrote:
Sass/Golden/Neo: You are in a game and your opponent is in a foul snooker. They correctly call it and both refs agree. The player opts for a free ball and gestures with a wave of his cue which ball he wants to hit. He pots it and the ref calls two for not being specific enough in terms of nominating the free ball. Now, you and every single person in the pub knew which ball he was hitting and what he was doing. He was going to win the frame at that visit if he is allowed to carry on. Do you take two or over-rule the ref and let him continue with his first visit?
That exact thing happened in the example I mentioned earlier in the thread . . Gary called that against Paul Adams when we played The Prop some time last year . . There is nothing to over-rule as it's a foul . . How many times do you see a player over-rule a foul when the white goes in . . Exactly.
Taking the moral doesn't win you anything other than a pat on the back and admiration from people who really don't matter . . You might feel warm inside but knocking one out in your tightey whiteys or farting under the covers will do that also . . |
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| Lils |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:35
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It would depend who I was playing. Might not be the politically correct answer, but I would imagine that's how I'd deal with it. |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:35
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Golden: 
Edited by Coneycueist on 01-02-2008 19:38
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| berty |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:36
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I agree with Burn on everything including this thread you are all scum |
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| Cue_Ball |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:39
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I damn straight agree with that Lils - if I was playing you, i'd let you off as I know i'd go on to take the frame either way :razz: |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:45
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I have to say the rules themselves contribute to a lot of these problems. I can't think of many (any?) other sports where the player is responsible for having to verbally call out situations. Isn't the ref in snooker responsible for calling 'touching ball' and 'free ball' and the like?
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| Golden |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:46
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If you all spent more time practising than worrying about the rules you wouldn't have to rely on breaking them  |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:49
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'Great shot, but I'm disallowing that goal from the free kick because you didn't shout 'DIRECT' before shooting and point at the goal' Bollox
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| berty |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:49
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this is past boring on to another level only occupied by John Tickle and Bovril |
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| RasFas |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:52
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Golden wrote:
There is nothing to over-rule as it's a foul . .
What!! He calls 'free ball', he gestures at the ball, I know which ball he means, the ref knows which ball he means, he hits the ball... where's the foul?
I'd be asking for someone else to ref  op: |
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| Golden |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:53
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Gary knew which ball Paul Adams meant but he still called the foul . .
. . I'll tell Gary you reckon he's a jacka |
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| Lils |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:55
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It's not as simple as that RasFas. Not if you're applying the rules properly. The Referee isn't making their calls to the person at the table, the calls are so the opposing player and the spectators know too.
Sounds stupid but it's the first question in your Refereeing exam. |
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| Golden |
Posted on 01-02-2008 19:57
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berty wrote:
this is past boring on to another level only occupied by John Tickle and Bovril
Words of defeat . .
. . next you'll be saying "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, What you say is what you are" |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 01-02-2008 20:02
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Is it a foul if someone says I nominate 'the' black, but doesnt actually point at it.
When Gary called against Paul when playing us, two balls were in a similar direction. It was obvious which ball would give him the advantage because it was the one over the bag, but Gary had no choice because he wasn't explicit enough on that occasion.
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