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CSPL Gen Playing Procedures & Rules 2008
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| Viper |
Posted on 05-06-2008 23:01
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Until this is cast in stone then I am not going to forfiet teams who played players twice in the second set as I was led to believe that this was put together to give players the opportunity to play 2 frames whether or not they have a small squad or a large squad. Players 1st match result will only count in the Divisonal Singles comp. I fully understand all points raised from all above parties and no doubt with a bit of fine tuning something will be sorted to accomodate the concerns. IF PLAYERS WANTS TO LEAVE EARLY THEN PLAY 1 FRAME IN THE FIRST SET ..... IF PLAYERS WANT TO ARRIVE LATE THEN PLAY 1 FRAME IN THE 2nd SET but don't start looking to accomodate those players to play 2 frames in the fine turning. |
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| Statto |
Posted on 05-06-2008 23:56
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Thanks Danny....I'm glad I'm not ginger too....then I'd be suicidal....
Yes I did tell Wayne what he could do, but only after I had asked the question....I did not come to a unilateral decision on that....:razz:
Juggling Spence....it has nothing to do with having fewer players, it's about having 8 and still being penalised if people leave early....
Lils....I know you do, as do others....they don't always leave early, but I have to accept that sometimes they will want to....
So what exactly is the upshot of this? As there is nothing set in stone at the moment, how long will I be able to continue acting in the way that I feel is best for my team as a whole? |
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| harry |
Posted on 06-06-2008 00:04
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Golden wrote:
Anyone who turns up to a match and expects to play before a certain time and is pissed at playing late in the match is a shitcunt . .
. . if they have a problem with staying late tell them to take up cross stitch or something equally as 'in bed by 9:20pm' like
I enjoy playing pool, and i love the social side of it, but due to circumstances, ie. Work, i will have to play late or early at times . . . Does that make me a sh*tcu*nt? Should i give up tuesday nights?
Earning money does come first . . . Just!
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| Sting |
Posted on 06-06-2008 01:40
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I agree that by forcing the second set to play to a specific order if they played in the first can be a bit inflexible, but it is to prevent players playing the same player twice. I am not sure how easy it would be to get the teams to do this. What if teams made a mistake - what sort of penalty would they incur?
I also thought that the point of the change was to allow more teams to stay in the league ie you only need 5 for a fair match. But from reading some of the posts it looks like it was to do this but also make the games longer and give players a chance of playing twice? Is this right as i wasnt at the AGM |
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| andye |
Posted on 06-06-2008 02:17
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i can't belive how people are getting confused and unhappy with this format... it allows teams of 5 or teams of 10 to get everyone involved
it's simple...
if you wanna go early play in the first 'set'
if your gonna be late play in the second 'set'
if you wanna play twice play in the first 'set'
if you wanna/have to play twice and go early i'm sure teams would allow you to bring your second match forward
i must admit in the second set i feel it needn't be so structured as long as you don't play the same player twice i don't see a problem.
i think it's a good format and on i've done before. it's harder to win matches as you have to win by 2 frames rather than 1 and hence more likely to cut out those lucky wins where we all say shoulda, coulda, woulda...
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| Cyber The Crucifier |
Posted on 06-06-2008 04:56
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I think this format will be good but what happens if u r playing a very tactical side then it will on all night some of us dont drive and r not local
if people like playing pool then this format should suit,
and the pick again rule has gone thank f ***
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| Golden |
Posted on 06-06-2008 15:45
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harry wrote:
I enjoy playing pool, and i love the social side of it, but due to circumstances, ie. Work, i will have to play late or early at times . . . Does that make me a sh*tcu*nt? Should i give up tuesday nights?
Earning money does come first . . . Just!
Very good point . . At least you have a valid reason for it and as you say, it's only occasionally . .
. . it's those that have a 15 minute timeslot between 8:40pm and 8:55pm to turn up, socialise, play their match and leave and then piss and whinge about everything if it doesn't happen to that effect that are shitcunts |
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| waynie1973 |
Posted on 09-06-2008 18:22
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Deutch wrote:
Golden wrote:
Ok . . It's this simple . .
You put your first five on the sheet . . This in effect is 'dropping' any others that may be in attendance . .
Then for your second set you decide on who out of the remaining players is coming in for the second set and who they are replacing and make the swaps . .
If you have players who you specifically want to get two frames you make sure they're in the first set . . You make your decision at the point of putting your first five down . . It's the same as before when you had to decide who was being dropped for a match each week . .
If you have say 8 players then you decide after the first set of five who are going to get replaced and by default the remaining players get two frames . .
I think the emphasis needs to be taken away from 'substitues in-running' perhaps . .
Simple enough? That makes sense and is simple and if I get any enquiries re this matter then this is what I will quote
Just so I know, is this what we are going with??
Also providing someone plays in the first set, can they play anywhere in the second set or in the preset order as stated on the match card??
Sorry for going on about it, just wanted some clarification on the matter.
Thanks
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| Lils |
Posted on 09-06-2008 19:44
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From the way I see it, you go by the preset order on the card. Hence why there is a preset order.
But as people don't appear to be too keen on this, I will imagine Mr Halsey will either allow this to be changed as long as you don't play the same player twice or will be amended next season, should the format stay. |
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| Viper |
Posted on 09-06-2008 22:18
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Lils wrote:
From the way I see it, you go by the preset order on the card. Hence why there is a preset order.
But as people don't appear to be too keen on this, I will imagine Mr Halsey will either allow this to be changed as long as you don't play the same player twice or will be amended next season, should the format stay. I have not a problem where people play ... as long as they can avoid playing the same opponent twice. If that happens for whatever circumstance then I don't have a problem with that either. Seeing that this is a trial period there is no penalties attached for playing someone twice if it is unavoidable. No doubt the creators of this system (and my own opinion on this system is that it is a definate way forward) will no doubt be aware of the small problems at the moment and I have every faith that a revised alternative will be found which will not be so confusing for some people. |
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| Golden |
Posted on 09-06-2008 22:35
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I've had a peek through the original thread that led to this format and can't find any mention of this anywhere so I agree in that there can't be any penalties attached and in fact any right or wrong way of doing it . .
After reading everything and listening to a few people's thoughts I'd be inclined to go with the following:
1. Not having the structured player positions in frames 6-10 so that a player can move position from one set to another.
2. The home team list their second set (6-10) first and then the away team list theirs . . A player can play each other twice should the away team choose so . .
3. Allowing a player to play twice in the second set only and not in successive frames . .
How does that sound? |
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| Statto |
Posted on 10-06-2008 00:05
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Sounds much better, but the way that is worded suggests that anyone who plays in the first set cannot play twice....suggest "Any player can play twice, however, their second game must come in the second set and cannot immediately follow their previous game". I would also be inclined to prohibit playing the same player twice....look at semis and finals of the team cup comps - the order is altered to specifically prevent that....unless someone can provide an instance where it is unavoidable??
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| Statto |
Posted on 10-06-2008 00:12
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Had another thought....(i know it's dangerous)....is there anything that would prohibit a player from playing twice before another player has played once....eg team has 8 players, one of them plays at 6 and 8, meaning player at 9 is playing his first game.... |
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| Spud |
Posted on 10-06-2008 20:08
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It's nice and clear now thanks to Mark clearing that up for us, my earlier comments in this thread were based on my belief that we were to abide strictly as the card is set out, but since Mark has made it clear there will be some flexibilty for the duration of the summer, then it should be easy enough for everyone to get on with and enjoy the benefits of the extra frames, and ability to play players twice.
So in summary for those who are still in any doubt.
Play your players where you want, minimum of 5, maximum of 10.
For those players you wish to play twice, no restriction on where they play, so long as they don't play the same player twice.
If, however, for some reason or another, 2 players do play eachother twice, no penalty shall be applied for the duration of this trial summer, with the emphasis on getting more frames played, not more penalty points docked.
Only a players FIRST frame of the evening shall count towards thier individual stats for the Divisional title.
At the end of this season, gather feedback from across the league in order to tweek it where necessary for next season.
Hows that?
Sounds pretty cool to me.
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| Viper |
Posted on 10-06-2008 22:19
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See what happens when you bounce things about between each other ... you get progression. I'm not here to deduct points from anybody on a trial system. At some point during this summer period there will be a revised proposition raised for the AGM, from you the members, that will hopefully be confusion free so that when discussed under AOB at the AGM in September there won't be a long drawn out convo about it because the majority have already done it on here. The way I look at it its just a case of a few i's to dot & T's to cross and then job done. |
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 10-06-2008 23:04
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The easiest way to avoid the complexity of player sequence, would be to consider reducing team size to just the one player. He would obviously need to be out of work so that he could always turn up early. He would also need to be an insomniac to make sure that he didn't want to go home prematurely. It would make the order of play so much simpler to organise !! It would be an exciting new development for the league because we could finish up with 30 or 40 divisions !! |
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| Viper |
Posted on 10-06-2008 23:29
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LOL |
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