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| Golden |
Posted on 30-01-2008 23:36
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But that's not something you can account for in a formal way . . You can't put in the rules "It's up to you whether you want to call a foul or not depending on if you're feeling charitable or got some goose goose last night" . .
. . it's down to personal judgement I guess . . I've been in situations in the past where I have had to call a foul that the player knew nothing about . . I then took the time to explain after . . It's the only way someone will ever learn . . I spent months calling silly fouls on Kyle when he first started playing the rules and he doesn't do it now that's for certain . .
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| berty |
Posted on 30-01-2008 23:44
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I have heard nothing to deter me on this point in my eyes if you are a decent person you would give them the benefit of the doubt if not you are a scum bag. full stop. ha ha. The only thing I can think is that the people who have gone over the rules with a microscopic pube comb to give themselves an edge are pink loafer wearing losers! |
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| Brooker |
Posted on 30-01-2008 23:53
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When we played Ruskin House this year, i was foull snookered & said to their ref "Foul snooker, can i have the white ball please"
He replied " i don't know what you mean mate cos i don't know the rules"
So i explained that i could have the white ball picked as basically as i could explain. He said "OK mate, go on then" & walked off.
Rather than explain that he neded to pick it up & look like i was trying to make him look stupid regarding the rules, i picked up the white & played my shot.
Then another of their players said "Isn't the ref suposed to pick the white up"
To which i replied "yes, but he clearly didn't know the rules, so i thought it easier to do it myself"
"Well i think thats 2 shots to our player" they replied.
"Fine, have 2 shots then mate"
So i fouled cos of the total lack of knowledge of the rules by their ref.
I felt like saying f**k off, you are taking the pi**, but at the end of the day its just a game of pool to me & technically they were correct, but to others its more serious than that, which is fine, im not knocking that.
I guess if a foul is called on you, you have to accecpt it, cos you are wrong, but also, if the two teams decide not to worry about it and carry on, then its also their right to play the "fair play game" if the both chose to do so.
I personally would chose "fair play"
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| Golden |
Posted on 30-01-2008 23:53
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Words of defeat . . |
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| berty |
Posted on 31-01-2008 00:00
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Brooker my sentiments EXACTLY  ne: |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 31-01-2008 00:18
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I think Golden may be on the....
The Coney: The Home of Bread and Butter pool since 1999 |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 31-01-2008 00:58
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Coneycueist wrote:
If teams like the Coney are going to survive they will have to recruit new players next year. In all probability these players will not know the rules. If opponents are comitted to ensuring the league prospers long term I believe there will have to be some flexiility in terms of allowing certain errors/ learnings with the rules. If I was playing in the Croydon League for the first time and anything happened to me along the lines detailed in Truey or The_Shark's posts it would be my first and last time, that's for sure.
As a self confessed 'pub' side who seem to be suited by 'pub' rules just a reminder the Bromley league runs a nice 'pub' league. You may even win a trophy.  |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 31-01-2008 01:07
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We've won a tophy in Croydon Alex and nobody can ever take that away from us. 'Division 6 runners up', I'm taking in to my grave.
A pub team is exactly what we are by the way.
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| Grettal |
Posted on 31-01-2008 09:42
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Whole situation. Gay. |
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| neo69 |
Posted on 31-01-2008 15:41
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Truey wrote:
What a load of bollox - If someone had called a foul for not calling the correct snooker then they are a total MUG, ffs i know rules are rules but it is beyond a joke..
in a game a few seasons back in DIV1 against 1 of the top sides (After a new set of rules had come in) 1 of our team set-up the balls with the wrong colours & instead of saying prior to the break - they are set-up wrong called a foul - obviously we took this on the chin
Er no we didn't had a bit of a row - Ended up re-racking them correctly & the game continued
you got done over truey because aslong as the black is in the right place it does not matter where the rest of the balls are put.
so it just goe to show if you know the rules well it can help out in alot of situations |
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| neo69 |
Posted on 31-01-2008 15:49
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Golden wrote:
Coneycueist wrote:
Scenario: A team is short of players so calls upon a 9ball player in their local club to play rather than throw the game. He can hold a cue but has only had a brief tutorial of rules. You are playing him Golden and you go in-off. He picks up the white and puts it in the middle of the table (not behind baulk). He clearly does not know this rule. Do you let him play the shot and call two or tell him to put the ball in the correct place?
Of course I let him play the shot . . I'd probably laugh after he does it and then clear up . .
I'm not in the habit of making allowances . . For fear of sounding arrogant, I've gone out of my way to learn the rules and spent years practising to give myself an edge. . Not to then give allowances for someone or some team who haven't . .
Not only that but it wouldn't be down to me to call the foul . .
This happened in the Croydon A v Croydon B Interleague match back in 2006 . . Mick Saunders did just that . . He had roll-ins and put the ball down the wrong end of the table . . We all knew Mick and have done for some time but the bottom line is that it's a foul . .
i aggre with you dan,i to have spent time getting to know the rules and i dont c why others should be given special treatment weather there in div 1 or div 6.
i will always try and advise other players about the rules but after all is said and done the rules are a big part of the game. |
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| Sass |
Posted on 31-01-2008 18:14
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Totally agree and that's worrying because I don't like to agree with you Ian!
Do people think that those of us who have played the rules for longer have an innate knowledge of World Rules? We lost frames too due to not knowing the rules, forgetting to nominate etc etc. It's by making mistakes that you learn not to do it again!!
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| Burn |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:11
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Can it be coincidence that all of those agreeing that rules 'have' to be applied are players with County experience?!?
On a Tuesday night I would always put sportsmanship above all else.
I've had games on a Tuesday where I've told the bloke to stop when he was about to a play a 3rd visit, I've ignored blatant push-shots (older rules) and would generally offer any and all guidance I could in circumstances where my knowledge is greater than theirs (few cases then  ). I'd also call fouls on myself that others might not have noticed, and generally try to play to the 'spirit' of the game rather than to the 'rules' of the game.
Getting into a 'but it's the rules' thing in a friendly league is going into dangerous territory.
Do you then not call foul on yourself if you feather a ball and no-one saw it?
Do you argue borderline calls that you know went against you, but where doubt exists on the part of the Ref?
Is cheating OK as long as you aren't caught doing it?
Of course it isn't.
Sportsmanship first and last, every time.
Ultimately you, and your team, get more credit for being a sporting opponent than you will for being the winner, particularly if that win is 'at all costs'.
Micky Saunder at SAS perfect example of being like a traffic warden as regards the rules, and often uses gamesmanship over sportsmanship.
His reputation now precedes him.
To my mind this falls into the same 'grey' area as moving around at the tail end of the season to get easier games for ranking points.
That happened a few seasons back. Remember who came out of that with the most credit... Sean Kelly, because in a 3 way fight for the ranking title, he stayed at No.1 every week. The others ducked and dived. Shabby.
If you foul and have earned yourself a penalty, trying to dodge that penalty on a technicality is also shabby. Take your medicine.
Sort yourselves out, you craven animals. Your competitiveness is getting your perspective all bent out of shape.
Brooker was right. Brooker is always right. Let him be your guide. In all things.
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| Golden |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:22
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Burn wrote:
Do you then not call foul on yourself if you feather a ball and no-one saw it?
Is cheating OK as long as you aren't caught doing it?
Of course it isn't.
Sportsmanship first and last, every time.
I fail to see what feathering a white ball and calling a foul on yourself has to do with anything . .
Playing to the rules and cheating are two entirely different things . . |
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| Golden |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:27
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Burn wrote:
Sort yourselves out, you craven animals. Your competitiveness is getting your perspective all bent out of shape.
If pool was all about wearing flowers in our hair, listening to 'groovy' music and hugging trees I could understand but it's a competitive sport . .
You learn by your mistakes . . If it was a uniform opinion that we should all be loving and considerate then fair enough but seeing as it isn't surely the best way to go is to follow the rules . . That's what they are there for after all . .
I'll give it a go in April @ Yarmouth . . I'm sure the other bloke won't mind me not calling a total snooker as he knew I was in one surely . . Yeah it'll be fine . . |
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| Burn |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:27
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Because the rules are that the Ref calls the fouls.
Playing to the Rules, in it's strictest sense, means you don't call fouls on yourself.
Or are you suggesting playing to the rules selectively?
Can of worms.
They need to learn the rules better? No they don't.
You need to learn to play better so do you don't give away two shots like a jacka.
If you foul, the fault is always yours, never ever theirs. Trying to weasel out of that on a technicality is bad form.
You f*ck up, you take your medicine. End of.
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| berty |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:31
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good to have you back Burn the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth |
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| Burn |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:34
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Why thank you Sir.
Evans, shut up you mug :razz:
Comparing Tuesdays to Yarmouth is like comparing kicking the ball in the park with your mates, to jogging out at Wembley for a Cup Final.
One is for fun, the other is a serious matter.
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| Golden |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:43
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Burn wrote:
You f*ck up, you take your medicine. End of.
That's just the point . . I personally rarely f*ck up so why should some other jacka reap the benefits because they're just that . . a jacka . . |
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| Golden |
Posted on 31-01-2008 19:46
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Burn wrote:
Why thank you Sir.
Evans, shut up you mug :razz:
Comparing Tuesdays to Yarmouth is like comparing kicking the ball in the park with your mates, to jogging out at Wembley for a Cup Final.
One is for fun, the other is a serious matter.
Talk sense boy
But this is my point . . There are some that take CDPL more seriously than I do Yarmouth . . If we are going to base everything around how seriously we all take it then there will be carnage each Tuesday . . I can see it now . . Random useless jacka pots the white, catches it with his hand and carries on . . After all it's only fun isn't it . .
I totally agree that it should be taken in a light hearted manner and that it's only meant to be for 'fun' but my point is where do you draw the line? |
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