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| I C Cool |
Posted on 06-10-2010 07:16
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Quite The Regular
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The Folly 4 - 6 Farley Loyalists.
A good night all in the spirit of the game until!!!!!!!
There are going to be a few comments/opinions made after a crucial foul was called against the folly tonight.
The Folly were in a foul snooker but this was not called(only a snooker), the player has asked can i move the white ball to which the ref has said YES which i believe to be the correct call, this player has then moved himself to baulk end of table as the ref picked up white to be placed behind baulk ,only to have second ref call foul 2 visits for not stating a foul snooker before said white was moved.
i understand the ruling by 2nd ref to be a correct. A call has to be made by the player and the ref can only answer yes or no to any questions!
if the ref can only answer yes or no, this situation has to ask a question as to how to avoid this in future. ie: if ref says no to his own or any player then is he coaching?(because he hasnt asked for foul snooker) or if he says yes but cannot ask the player what exactly he is calling then how does a ref overcome this situation???????
Good fortune for the coming season to The Folly and as i believe a sad goodbye to Steve & partner as they are moving/being moved on to hopefully pastures green. |
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| coney_till_we_died |
Posted on 06-10-2010 08:21
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Just Popping In
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I wonder if the people who wrote the rules intended them to result in such pedantic behaviour? I'm sure people will disagree but to me the above account is totally ridiculous and the second ref needs to get out a bit more. Surely everybody knew what player one meant and to me ref one has validated it. Why else would he say 'yes'to 'can I pick the white up?' Assuming the player who benefited from this won the frame, did he/she take much pleasure from it out of interest?
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| Teach |
Posted on 06-10-2010 13:53
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Home From Home
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The sad thing is.... the 2nd ref probably stood there rubbing his hands just waiting for the 1st ref to pick the ball up, so he could then call foul.  |
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| I C Cool |
Posted on 06-10-2010 14:36
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Our player did go on to win contested frame, surely the rules are the rules and a foul snooker is what should have been called but was not!
In defence of our player he was quiet happy to replay frame at the end of the evening which was done and he won that.
Would anyone be happy if they lost a frame to the above situation, i think not, the biggest question still to be asked is do all players know the rules?????????
Player one in this problem does know the rules as does the ref but correct call was not asked before the ball was moved.
Anybody with a constuctive/difinitive comment or answer appreciated. |
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| Rainbow |
Posted on 06-10-2010 15:36
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Teach wrote:
The sad thing is.... the 2nd ref probably stood there rubbing his hands just waiting for the 1st ref to pick the ball up, so he could then call foul.
Show me a team in the league that has not used/called this foul in their favor to gain an advantage, we did not rub hands, or show glee at this, Andy of The Folly knows this, and just to show The Folly that we did not want to win this way offered them a re-rack for that frame. A good night was had by one an all, and this incident did not scar the match.
Regards
Rainbow
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| Spud |
Posted on 06-10-2010 16:09
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Technically the second ref is correct in calling a foul, so cannot be criticised for doing a good job.
But it comes down to a moral issue, very similar to what happened in the Liverpool / Sunderland match recently which got a lot of press. Everyone knew the bloke was leaving the ball for the keeper to take the free kick, however, by kicking it, he was deemed to have taken it himself in the eyes of the law. Torres however was all over it and a goal was scored 15 seconds later. . . Technically correct, but morally was it right??? It split opinion, as no doubt will this.
My take on it is as follows:
If I'm playing County or Interleague pool, then it's a foul, and I'd take it all day long. The players at that level have no excuse to not know the rules.
The same would apply if we (The Eagles) were playing a high profile match in the 1st division or in a cup final.
However . . . Outside of that, I'd always go down the route of education. We would rarely claim a foul of this nature against lower league oppo in the league cup, or new teams to the 1st division, instead opting to explain how that could result in a foul for thier future reference, try and offer advice on the rules and thier interpretation.
I'm sure everyone will have differing views on it though.
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| beardy |
Posted on 06-10-2010 19:53
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Bunkers *******s 3-7 A view to a kill
We started the season with a win and played some good stuff. I have got to say we were made to feel really welcome and a recently reclothed table was a dream to play on. Looks like we will have to issue a copy of the rules to our players for future games LOL. It's only a game fellas and meant to be enjoyable to all. If you do things like that to lower league teams they may find the whole thing far to serious and drop out??
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| Andy |
Posted on 06-10-2010 22:56
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Getting The Hang Of It
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As the player in question above, I am aware of the rules and it was a simple oversight on my part because the foul snooker was so obvious I just forgot to call it. Not sure why I would have asked to pick the ball up otherwise? Just to make it worse I would have had 2 shots on a black that was right over the middle pocket.
The second refs call was completely right in the context of the rules and therefore I lost fair and square but personally I would not have done the same thing when the foul snooker was so obvious. That's life though. Jeeves took no delight in winning the game and while I appreciated the offer to rerack would not have altered the score had I won as I had lost the first match fairly (although very frustratingly!). More disappointed that it meant the team lost instead of getting a good draw. Well played to the Farley for their second half fightback and see you early next year in the league. |
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