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propositions for division 1 next winter
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| andye |
Posted on 05-07-2013 18:21
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re toss, 2 scenarios there, flip the coin then write out your team or fill out the card and then flip...
i personally think you flip then chose your batting order as this adds another tactic to the night, likewise you don't want to have to put your whole team down before the toss!
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| Foxy |
Posted on 05-07-2013 19:48
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As I've previously stated, I have proposed bringing the coin toss in to the league at the AGM before and if I remember correctly there was not one vote for it!!! If someone else wants to have a go then you've definitely got my vote.
The sad thing reading this forum is that the people asking for changes to the league format are the ones that never turn up to AGMs.
Neil you want to bring in 15 frames...if you want it so bad why don't you propose it and actually turn up to a meeting? I don't actually think I have ever seen you turn up at one! The AGM is there for teams to have their say via their secretarys, it's no good saying you want this and that to change without actually putting it in writing and being at the meeting to back up your proposal.
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| Big Ben Ten |
Posted on 05-07-2013 20:03
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write the card then lag? you can still win the lag and hand the first break over.
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| Spud |
Posted on 05-07-2013 20:23
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Keeping it simple...
I am secretary for The Eagles, and on this thread alone, you have Shaggy and Wiggy anti 15 frames, and Met pro 15 frames.
So even just looking inside our own team I can see opinions for and against, to the point where I'm not even sure how The Eagles would vote, as I'd have to canvas the rest of the guys and give a fair refelction of our team.
With that in mind.... It's fair to say it will split opinions all over the league, regardless of ability, dedication and league status.
There are very good reasons for and against the change, but while both arguments almost cancel eachother out, then the status quo will remain. I'm personally sat well on the fence for this one. Some excellent points made for 15, and some excellent reasons to stay as we are.
What is conclusive from talking to people and readin on here is to sort the coin toss out.
As the Redhill League do, and also Interleague, the Away team breaks first, and all subsequent odd frames there after, with the home team breaking evens.
Pick your teams accordingly.
Away team gets one more break than the home side.
With Cup games at neutral venues, toss a coin to decide who's the designated home team.
Lagging I am very much opposed to.... Might look good on the 9 Ball tables on the telly, but 8 ball tables are not built to have 2 people take a shot from the same baulk end, especially people with salad dodging tendancies like myself.
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| Metin250 |
Posted on 06-07-2013 17:31
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The coin toss rule change needs to happen and im certain one of the eagles will attend to help with the vote.
As for the 15 frame rule i actually dont mind it either way i just like that there is more pool.
If you do it for one league i think you have to change it for the entire divisions!
I actually prefered the 10 game league of old to the now 11 as i thought draws were quite nice to have, there doesnt always have to be a winnerin a league game, its very yank like !!! as is lagging on an 8 ball table- im with kelly on that.
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| mayweatherbrindle |
Posted on 06-07-2013 18:14
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Andy i wasnt implying u dnt practice mate
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| jacko |
Posted on 06-07-2013 20:53
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actually andy I fancy the 2nd frame stat would b good to decide matters but only in the 2nd half ov the season as it would not b fair on guys who only play 1frame but cum the halfway point ov the season im sure there captain wil giv them a 2nd frame as there stats wil obviously b good enuf to av earnt it,then if stil tied ud av2 count all 2nd frames I guess...we play twice most weeks so we would ava big advantage if there woza tie...tbh thinking bout it personally im happy with the current 11frame format as i play 2 or 3 frames n fck if i want the hassle ov timing but for many ov u guys who rarely geta 2nd frame surely it wil b better for u to up it to 15...alternate breaks a must n league cup ranking points need to be adjusted to the average ov the 4 divisions which may b 4 / 4.5 dono to reflect how ard it is to win that frame,the current 5points is ridiculas asa div1 win is 5.25 which is much much harder to achieve  |
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| Bink286 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 07:22
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neil wrote:
hi guys  I know im a pain  , so will keep it short,but I was wondering if anyone in this division next winter wanted to extend it to 15 games, please let me know your thoughts as we got till next month by the 16th august,to put it through to the league secretary, and want to know if we just had it for the top 2 divisions or just the 1st, as I know a few of you didn't want the change, but its upto you guys, but I want more frames next winter as 11 is not enough, let us know your thoughts as we need a seconder, cheers guys 
Hi Neil.
I've heard such proposition before, and the biggest issues for me, that might stop it from being voted through are:-
1. Lower league team games tend to take longer so there will not be support for such a structure from those of us who have played past midnight under the current structure.
2. Some venues have kicking out times and may not have the flexibility to accommodate extra frames, and newer teams interested in joining the CPL should be able to participate at a 'joiner level' that isn't perceived as a 'barrier to their entry'.
So, if this proposition is to gain universal accord, I'd suggest the following:-
A) The proposed 15 game format in the league is only applicable to Div 1, with a 13 game format in Div 2, an 11 game format in Div 3 and a 9 game format in Div IV or lower. Rules concerning minimum players per fixture should reflect these amendments with teams being required to field the minimum number of players per fixture capable of winning the fixture if every game were to be won by the minimum player turn-up (2 player in IV, 3 player in III, 3 player in II and 4 player in I - assuming the format remains the same being two halves (sorry about this Two Half's) and a deciding final game).
If you are thinking of amending it to a 3 set with just a 5 player fixture list, of course this won't work too well, as for my thinking on consistency we'd need Div I teams to field 7 players for 7 games in each 'half' before playing the decider (with 6 in II, 5 in III and 4 in IV). I think we'd need a secondary resolution if you were thinking of amending it to a 3x5 format.
B ) If any league fixture reaches 11:30pm without completion of their scheduled games, that a coin toss should be permitted to decide any remaining yet to be completed frames at the request of either secretary.
C) Team KO cup & League cup fixtures to be played to an 11 game format, until the latter stages.
If such a compromised proposition were to be put through, I think the lower league team secretaries could accept it.
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| Special K |
Posted on 07-07-2013 15:51
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No disrespect to your thread blink but why do u make potting 7 yellows or reds and a black ball on small table sound so hard? People sign up on a Tuesday to play the game so lets play it 15 frames all the way come on lads!
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| Knocky |
Posted on 07-07-2013 20:31
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toss of a coin (lol)if still going after 11.30 pm
you cant be serious.
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| andye |
Posted on 08-07-2013 21:10
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Lol I read through all that what seemed to be a sensible post regarding less frames per division the got to that bit a bout a coin toss'
Good luck with that proposal!
If people do want more frames then why not 14 (2x7)
We used to play 7 frames so it would be doubling that
You can get a draw which is sometimes a fair result but also that's the way it's played in Yarmouth in the finals! |
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| Statto |
Posted on 10-07-2013 06:29
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There has been a lot of opinion put forward, and with good reasoning behind it. I am not going to say anyone is right or wrong, because this is a debate, and it is all about opinion.
My observations are:
I understand that higher divisions want more frames, because this brings it in to line with other leagues and representative level. However, they are higher division because they have greater skill, and will finish matches quicker by needing fewer visits to the table.
Enforcing a shot clock to speed things up will not make a great deal of difference if there is no attacking pool being played. A fudge fest will require a far greater number of shots to be played, and it is the number of shots that affects the time a frame takes more than the time each shot takes.
As mentioned before, venues control the "end time" of an evening, and those teams that play from social clubs are far more likely to have an end time enforced upon them.
Any change that occurs would be put across all divisions. Mark Halsey would have a logistical nightmare trying to deal with different formats for each division, not to mention the adjustment promoted and relegated teams would have to make (and that is almost half of every division!).
There are many teams that have players who work late/come from London/work shifts/drive for a living. Bringing the start time forward would make it even harder for them to attend and potentially cost the league players.
Like most others on this thread, I (and many of my team) would enjoy playing more frames each Tuesday - on an individual level - but practicality factors being as they are, I doubt that a proposal to have 15 frames a night would get passed - not least because AGM turnouts are now approximately 35% of the available teams, when it used to be double that.
I am not trying to piss on anyone's parade...the league has adapted over the years - just think about how the world rules came in, and also that the playing distance has been increased over the last few years - but I feel that 15 frames is a step too far at the present time.
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| beardy |
Posted on 12-07-2013 14:59
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My opinion
Over the last few seasons i have seen formation of "super teams" being formed, whereby very good players seem to be all joining one or two teams especially in division two. These teams then walk away with the league. I believe 15 frames is now being promoted to keep all those good players happy. If you are a good player you want more than 1 frame a night but if you have 8 very good players its a struggle to do that.
Already we are seeing teams disbanding and we are losing divisons.
The interests of the league needs to be put first and i believe increasing the number of frames will lead to a smaller league, better players with all be it a better quality of pool being played.
However
Question is will CPL then become a closed shop which ultimately discourages new players or teams?
Will that ultimately cut CPL off from its roots The Croydon social club or local pub?
If this is adopted careful consideration on encouraging new teams should be discussed as well.
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| SCORCHIO12 |
Posted on 12-07-2013 16:37
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quite simple really.
lower div teams that are moaning about more frames being played and teams that struggle with 4 players some weeks all you need to do is this:
Have 12 frames on a Tuesday so its only 1 additional frame but have 3 sets of 4. therefore teams that can only field a team of four and not 5 like it is now will not be losing a frames per set.
Also it adds an extra frame to the night. Shot clock for all games.
Problem solved...
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| Big Ben Ten |
Posted on 12-07-2013 18:27
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it will solve the problem of not having enough but will create a problem of strong teams not needing depth if they go with four strong players.
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| Triple C |
Posted on 12-07-2013 22:12
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You could apply a rule to that format that a player cannot play more than 2 sets |
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| Nature Boy |
Posted on 12-07-2013 22:39
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DAS IS GOOD
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 12-07-2013 23:00
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What an attractive proposition for pubs and clubs. As if pool players dont demand enough, when a team pops out for a nights refreshment, there will only be 8 people to serve.
7 man team, 5 man team, now 4 man team! Wank... Might as well just have a doubles league and close down the team league.
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| Metin250 |
Posted on 13-07-2013 01:32
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Agree with shaggy, 4 man team is laughable.
Either change to 15 or leave as it is but no change to anything else.
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| No1 Nugget |
Posted on 13-07-2013 06:59
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A lot of different opinions from some of the top boys 
How about 14 games across all divisions and that way we get to play 3 more games and I know it sounds stupid but we should bring back draws as some times that is a fair result.
As some teams may have lost 6 v 5 and feel a draw would of been fairer,
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