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CSPL Gen Playing Procedures & Rules 2008
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| chuckles |
Posted on 03-06-2008 22:38
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I have a problem as the ?General playing procedures & rules 2008? does not explain, clear enough, the order of play.
I am assuming the order of play, once the first 5 have been put on the score card, stays the same baring substitutes. That you cannot play someone in the 1st set and change his playing position from, say position 3 to 4 in the 2nd set, even though he is not playing the same player he had played in the first set.
Can someone confirm if my assumptions are right?
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| ThePower |
Posted on 03-06-2008 22:48
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I read it that the home team is permitted to change the order of 6-10 (inc any subs) and the away team then puts down their order down to make sure no match from 1-5 is duplicated. |
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Posted on 03-06-2008 22:54
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chuckles wrote:
I am assuming the order of play, once the first 5 have been put on the score card, stays the same baring substitutes. That you cannot play someone in the 1st set and change his playing position from, say position 3 to 4 in the 2nd set, even though he is not playing the same player he had played in the first set.
Can someone confirm if my assumptions are right?
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| Golden |
Posted on 03-06-2008 22:57
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ThePower wrote:
I read it that the home team is permitted to change the order of 6-10 (inc any subs) and the away team then puts down their order down to make sure no match from 1-5 is duplicated.
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 03-06-2008 23:05
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So if you are playing number one, you have to put the first five down, and then you have to commit one to play 6, prior to actually being able to assess the form of the subs.
Surely you would want to play all 7 players, and then selecting the best three to play again!
If people play the same player what does it matter.
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 03-06-2008 23:09
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It's not laid out in the playing procedures like that. I know that in Interleague the second set has a pre-defined order of players but that's not duplicated in these rules, as far as I see it.
I read it to mean that IF you are playing the same 5 (which not many teams will) then the AWAY team must change their order. It doesn't state what order, just that it must be different to avoid 2 players playing each other twice.
It's a bit late now anyway, without teams having been notified, to dictate playing orders. Not duplicating matches is easy and makes sense, but if the system becomes over-complicated by specifying exact playing positions etc, it runs the risk of being rejected by those teams who "play in a pub league for the fun of it". Baby steps remember.
As it stands, if a player plays twice, they can't play the same opponent again in the second set and only your first frame counts towards ranking points. Simple as that. |
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| chuckles |
Posted on 03-06-2008 23:18
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[quote]Fat-Dart wrote:
I read it to mean that IF you are playing the same 5 (which not many teams will) then the AWAY team must change their order. It doesn't state what order, just that it must be different to avoid 2 players playing each other twice.
The second set order is changed on the score card. The away team order is 1 2 3 4 5. second set is 3 4 5 1 2. So the order is changed for you.
Edited by chuckles on 03-06-2008 23:19
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| Cyber The Crucifier |
Posted on 03-06-2008 23:19
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so home team puts 5 players down then away team
then home team again and does the away team have to change there order or is it down to the home team
sorry for being spupid lol |
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| Viper |
Posted on 03-06-2008 23:22
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I fail to see where the problem is ,,, the cards are pre-printed with the players playing number and if he/she plays twice then he/she remains at that number (wheter you are home or away) so to avoid playing his/her opponent again .... if he/she is substituted in the second set then the substitute steps into that number.
HOME TEAM AWAY TEAM
1 V 1
2 V 2
3 V 3
4 V 4
5 V 5
1 V 3
2 V 4
3 V 5
4 V 1
5 V 2
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| Cyber The Crucifier |
Posted on 03-06-2008 23:27
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ok thanks mark |
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| Sass |
Posted on 04-06-2008 01:04
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Shaggy wrote:
So if you are playing number one, you have to put the first five down, and then you have to commit one to play 6, prior to actually being able to assess the form of the subs.
Surely you would want to play all 7 players, and then selecting the best three to play again!
If people play the same player what does it matter.
It won't work like that. You can only give one of the first 5 players a second frame in any event as you can't play twice in each set of 5. |
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| angles |
Posted on 04-06-2008 14:24
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Talking to a player from the Seamen last night, He never played in the first set of (5) games, But he did play in the second set of (5) games twice at positions 9 & 10.
Surely this is not allowed, even though he did play 2 different players.
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Posted on 04-06-2008 15:05
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so can a home player play P1, and then in the second set play P10 or does he have to go in at P6? |
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| EmDee |
Posted on 04-06-2008 17:17
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I know, lets introduce new rules and then not read them until after the first fixture.
All in favour say AYE
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| JamieMc |
Posted on 04-06-2008 17:21
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was slightly messy at the ship last night - there number 6 played again at 9.....no complaints from us; although he won both! would prefer a more liberal approach to this as for example playing number 1 and waiting to play again at 9 (as the away team) may not fit all, especially if the game is extended. that said, we started at 8.20 and were finished by 10:15 inc the secretarys game. |
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| Spud |
Posted on 04-06-2008 17:31
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He hasn't won both then. . . . That will be invalid.
You can't play twice in the same half of the match. . . .
I can understand what with it being new that there will be a little confusion to begin with, but it's quite clear and easy to follow I think. . .
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| Sass |
Posted on 04-06-2008 17:34
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Agree Jamie - provided that noone plays twice in each set of 5, it really shouldn't matter which position they play in.
How anyone can expect Gary to remain sober enough to play at 9 is beyond me!  |
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| Golden |
Posted on 04-06-2008 17:45
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It's a bit sick that this has only come to light but as someone mentioned above, that's what trials are all about . .
I would go as far as to say that as long as no-one plays twice in the same set and doesn't play the same player twice then they can change position between sets . . Sound fair?
I know Halsey is taking quite a liberal approach with respect of rule amendments to this so maybe if we're all in agreement he'll get an amendment sorted out and circulated to clear things up . . |
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Posted on 04-06-2008 17:51
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As there wasn't anything specifically defining this point in the proposal, and subsequently in the rules, there is no right or wrong answer but this is the idea opportunity to get something set in stone . . |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 04-06-2008 18:31
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I think the scorecard defines the order of play quite easily. All you need to remember is in 2nd set, if you want to sub a player - the new player fits into the subbed players position.
Appreciate your comments Dan, but tinkering around and looking to get amendments put through is only going to confuse the confused...
Best to leave it as it is. |
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