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Posted on 30-06-2008 18:09
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I agree Dan have played in a number of leagues in Surrey and haven;t seen it. Nonetheless I am pretty sure that this much fuss wouldn;t be made of it elsewhere.
Most players in Surrey are more concerned with the diesel prices for their tractors than anything else!
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| andye |
Posted on 30-06-2008 18:23
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Fat-Dart wrote:
Plain white ball - 96 grams
Spotted White - 97.2 grams.
Yes, it's FRACTIONALLY heavier. This has never been a secret and was raised when I first questioned its use on this website several seasons ago.
The fact remains, it's a match ball, used in official competitions, so it can't be outlawed just by people on here deciding they can rule it out for whatever reason suits them at the time. The weight difference is so negligible that 99% of pool players would never notice a difference of just over 1% in weight, if it wasn't for the spots.
First people say it's not allowed as 'it's a practice ball' which it isn't.
Next people say it's not allowed as the spots are off-putting.
Now apparently it's all about the weight. Make your minds up.
i find that hard to believe... there is very much a noticable difference with the weight and hence cue ball response. i'd say the spotted would be 100g or 105 at least |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 18:28
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You reckon you weigh 13st 2lb so it's clearly obvious you have no concept of weight . . |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 18:56
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Posted on 30-06-2008 18:58
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andye wrote:
i find that hard to believe... there is very much a noticable difference with the weight and hence cue ball response. i'd say the spotted would be 100g or 105 at least
Believe it mate.
Funnily enough, I didn't guess the weights, I used a set of scales, hence being able to take it down to within 1/10th gram! |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 19:02
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Don't worry Mark - Wiggy finds it hard to believe that his hair is manufactured from horses manes and tails sometimes. |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 19:14
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Fat-Dart wrote:
andye wrote:
i find that hard to believe... there is very much a noticable difference with the weight and hence cue ball response. i'd say the spotted would be 100g or 105 at least
Believe it mate.
Funnily enough, I didn't guess the weights, I used a set of scales, hence being able to take it down to within 1/10th gram!
i'm obviously much better than i thought if i can notice a 1% difference in weight...
and daniel i weigh 11st 30lbs...!!! |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 19:19
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Fat-Dart wrote:
Funnily enough, I didn't guess the weights, I used a set of scales, hence being able to take it down to within 1/10th gram!
You're starting to sound like Bob Shaw |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 19:21
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Golden wrote:
You're starting to sound like Bob Shaw
Sorry, I promise I won't make 27 different shapes/weights of cue butt from a random selection of materials though...
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Posted on 30-06-2008 19:21
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What scales do you need to measure a 10th of a gram with. Do you sell adult flour???
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Posted on 30-06-2008 19:23
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 its not bob shaw that worries about 1/10th of a gram its rod |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 20:06
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I'm still waiting for Fat Dart to show me where and when the Farley Eden agreed by a democratic vote to accept the ball into CPDL and where it states in the league constitution the ball has been 'approved' by its members to be legally used under league conditions.....
I fear the Goodfella's may unfortunatley be demoted back to Division 4 next winter for use of unapproved equipment unless this unsavoury matter is resolved.....
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Posted on 30-06-2008 22:12
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@ Fieldsy!!
The Power(grr), I don't see how use of a cue ball and it being voted in by the CDPL members would be in the League Consititution. I think you're a little confuzzled.
I do believe that the Secretary of the Goodfellas (no apostrophe) phoned the Secretary and Treasurer of the CDPL to ask if a cue ball with red spots on, which is the same size as a cue ball with no spots on it would be deemed as acceptable for use in League games. I also believe the answer to the aforementioned Secretary was something along the lines of 'if it's the same size, then I can't see a problem with you using it.'
As a Committee Member at that time, I can inform you that the Committee do not get informed of every phone call or enquiry Mark receives. That would be stupid.
I'm sure Deutch can clarify the details of the conversation if he sees this thread and has been mentioned, if people feel strongly enough about a cue ball, they can submit a proposal to an AGM or Half Yearly AGM. Or of course, I'm sure Mark can change his decision if he feels the majority of members don't want to play using the spotted white.
Other than that, I don't really understand your post. Are you trying to say that Mr Halsey has done something wrong by telling the Goodfellas they can use the ball? |
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Posted on 30-06-2008 22:56
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Donna, I cannot comment on what the Goodfella's discussed or which or what factual information about the spotted ball was provided to Mark Halsey. I was not party to any of those conversations.
My understanding since I have played in the Croydon pool league is any changes that could effect its members have to voiced at one of the two AGM's. Amendments to the General Playing Procedures and rules have to be firstly proposed and seconded to the committee and then voted upon at an AGM.
The spotted cue ball differs from a standard white cue ball. So as a member of the CDPL whom lives and works in a democratic society I am entitled to ask when, if any, a formal proposal was made....
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Posted on 01-07-2008 02:19
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Alex, I am simply responding to your several posts on this matter in which you asked me, as a former Committee member at the time, whether or not Goodfellas had indeed consulted Mark Halsey about their use of the spotted white ball during a game.
The only problem anyone had on here before the extra gram of weight was mentioned was the spots on the ball, which clearly make it different from an average white ball.
Please tell me when you think I have tried to revoke your 'democratic right' to ask if a formal proposal was made?!!!!!!
Are you trying to suggest in all seriousness that, for example, if a team wish to replace their red and yellow balls with a new set of red and blue balls and ring Mark Halsey just to make sure it's ok to play with them, that Mark should tell them to put a written proposal into the next meeting instead of using a bit of common sense and saying 'As long as they're the same size as the regular reds and yellows, then that's ok.'?
If people then want to complain about it, then they can do so to Mark Halsey and/or at the AGM in writing if they wants an amendment to the rules to state 'only a red and yellow set of balls are deemed acceptable'.
If absolutely EVERYTHING needed to be voted on at the meetings, you'd get home about 4am, seeing as Geoff Martensz has to argue about everything (including things he's said himself coz he's mental).
Plus I don't actually remember the last time you yourself were present at a meeting, or indeed anyone representing the Eden actually saying anything at a meeting.
Maybe you should come. I'm sure people would love to meet you.
P.S. I'm REALLY bored with this now. How about you take it up with Mark Halsey as this is a total waste of webspace and I'm really fed up trying to figure out quite why I keep responding to you and to why you're carrying on with this tirade on here rather than actually phoning Mark to ask him about it. You'd get a lot more accuracy in the answers.
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Posted on 01-07-2008 03:59
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ThePower wrote:
I fear the Goodfella's may unfortunatley be demoted back to Division 4 next winter for use of unapproved equipment unless this unsavoury matter is resolved.....
Bit over the top mate?
So what about the sh*t tables in this league - for sure the Hotshots would never have made it into Div 1 as that table was shocking most of the time |
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Posted on 01-07-2008 04:19
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Donna 
I nearly nodded off. Not quite but nearly.
Fat Dart will appreciate this part. I am the Captain of the Farley Eden. Pedroso Watts is our honorable team Secretary. We use our democratic right to express 'apologies' for not attending AGM's though if you can be assed to check we have attended the last couple.
I don't recall 'asking' in any prior posts for your response regarding this subject. I am sorry to have to disappoint you Donna, but your comments these days hardly warrant a look let alone my response. This thread is not about YOU. Disappointing for you I am sure but its the truth I am afraid.
For the avoidance of insanity, I think we all know that nobody calls Mark Halsey to ask him if we can change our worn red and yellow balls for a nice new shiny set. I'm just clarifying that point in case really do 'believe' EVERYTHING you write.
To the contrary to the above, the use of an extra weighted white cue ball with some big fat red spots is something we expect as members of the CDPL to see a 'written proposal' on.....
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Posted on 01-07-2008 04:22
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Sniper wrote:
ThePower wrote:
I fear the Goodfella's may unfortunatley be demoted back to Division 4 next winter for use of unapproved equipment unless this unsavoury matter is resolved.....
Bit over the top mate?
I think fella you should take it in the light hearted humour it was meant.... |
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Posted on 01-07-2008 04:47
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Never can be too sure with you matey.
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Posted on 01-07-2008 20:41
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I believe the spotted white should be exchanged for a standard white if requested. As for its weight, surely this is irrelevant. What about the difference in speed of the table. If you play at the Ship, S Norwood, you will be used to a slow table. When you come to Riley?s you will be playing on a fast table. Surely the weight of the white ball matters not. I shouldn?t take many shots for you to get used to the speed the same as the weight of the white. But I can understand the spots being off putting to some. In which case I see no problem with it being changed if requested to do so.
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